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why does nobody talk about maintenance

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Question in the title, detail here: why does nobody talk about maintenance.

Withdrawal studies in this class consistently show substantial regain after discontinuation. That is a pharmacological finding about a chronic condition, not a statement about anyone’s discipline.

Body weight varies by a couple of kilos over days in stable people through fluid, glycogen and gut content. A range is not a trend.

Dose reduction and interval extension are different interventions. Halving the dose keeps the rhythm and lowers the level; stretching keeps the level and lowers the frequency, with a lower trough.

Ask me anything specific. Anything general I will probably get wrong.

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u/mod_cold_roommod · c/coldchain114 points·1 year ago

What maintenance actually looks like, from the people on this board who have been in it longest.

You find a dose or an interval that holds the weight with side effects you barely notice, and then you stop optimising. Weigh monthly rather than daily. Expect a couple of kilos of range and do not act on it. Keep the habits that did the work in the losing phase, because they are the part that has to outlive the dose.

The most common mistake described here is treating arrival as a plateau and pushing the dose to chase a number chosen at week one by a person who did not yet know what maintenance felt like.

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u/nadia_nascimento53 points·1 year ago

Yes — interval stretching and dose reduction are different levers and people use the words interchangeably.

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u/milos_vestergaardOP31 points·1 year ago

What is the plan if the drift continues for another month?

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u/still_here_202679 points·1 year ago

the trials that looked at withdrawal are unambiguous about what follows

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u/nikhil_lindqvist66 points·1 year ago

Not convinced. Interval stretching changes your exposure profile, not just the total, and the two are not equivalent.

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u/adnan_sandvik54 points·1 year ago

maintenance is a phase, not a finish line

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u/milos_vestergaardOP19 points·1 year ago

Correction: that trial measured regain after withdrawal, not failure of the drug during treatment. Very different claim.

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u/still_here_202611 points·1 year ago

Disagree with chasing the last stretch by going up. You are trading a real side-effect cost for a number you chose arbitrarily.

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u/yara_antonsen23 points·1 year ago

Careful — a dose reduction plan is a conversation with someone who knows your history, not a board consensus.

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u/milos_vestergaardOP41 points·1 year ago

Has appetite changed, or only the scale?

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u/mod_cold_roommod · c/coldchain11 points·1 year ago

Maintenance is the phase with the least published guidance and the most individual variation, which is precisely why board consensus here is worth less than usual.

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u/elise_ramos94 points·1 year ago

the habits are the part that has to outlive the dose

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u/oskar_malinowski62 points·1 year ago

stretching the interval is not the same as reducing the dose

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u/usp_appendixcompendial56 points·1 year ago

None of this is a taper plan. What dose holds for you is a question for somebody with your history in front of them.

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u/rasmus_petrescu36 points·1 year ago

None of this is a taper plan.

Adding one thing — decide what maintenance looks like before you arrive at it.

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u/kasper_cabrera15 points·1 year ago

the lowest effective dose is a real target and nobody talks about it

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u/andres_dahlberg7 points·1 year ago

maintenance is where the logistics finally get boring, which is the point

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u/hassan_ostergaard6 points·1 year ago

Wrote down what maintenance would look like at about week 78, before I needed it. Having decided in advance made the transition boring.

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u/hugo_norgaard13 points·1 year ago

None of this is a taper plan.

usp_appendix is right that stretching and reducing are different levers. Worth separating in every one of these threads.

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u/nnt_nate4 points·1 year ago

find the dose that holds, then stop optimising

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u/omar_eriksen18 points·1 year ago

That is a range, not a trend. Two weigh-ins 6 days apart cannot distinguish them.

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u/andres_dahlberg5 points·1 year ago

I would not treat a two-kilo range as drift requiring action. That is ordinary weight variation.

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u/throwaway_918237 points·1 year ago

Same. Monthly is plenty at this stage and daily weighing made me miserable for no information gain.

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u/anders_osei-36 points·1 year ago

Appetite returning before the scale moves follows from the mechanism: the appetite effect is the proximal one and weight is the lagging integrated outcome.

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u/food_noise_gonemaintenance1 point·1 year ago·edited

Small fix — you have described interval stretching and called it a dose reduction. The exposure profiles differ.

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u/line_bergstrom1 point·1 year ago

regain after stopping is the expected outcome, not a personal failure

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u/crosspost_bot_no-51 points·1 year ago

plan the maintenance phase before you need it

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u/fatima_yildiz1 point·1 year ago

a few kilos of drift is not a relapse

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u/yara_antonsen0 points·1 year ago

Interval stretching changes the exposure profile: with a week-long half-life, moving to ten or twelve days lowers trough concentration more than it lowers average exposure. That is why appetite return is often the first thing noticed.

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