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c/dosinglogs·posted 1 year ago by u/laila_wojcik

[Discussion] dose history is doing more work than we give it credit for

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Something I keep coming back to: dose history is doing more work than we give it credit for.

Annotated the fortnight I changed training. Without that note the numbers around it would look like a mystery.

The attribution problem, which is the reason most logs on this board cannot answer the question their owner is asking.

If dose, training, intake and sleep all changed in the same fortnight, no analysis of the resulting numbers can tell you which one moved the outcome. That is not a limitation of your spreadsheet; it is a limitation of the design.

The fix is unglamorous: change one thing at a time, leave it long enough to see, and annotate the weeks where something else intruded anyway — because life will intrude. A log with honest annotations answers questions. A log with four simultaneous changes and a confident conclusion is the most common thing posted here, and it does not.

Why contemporaneous beats reconstructed, with the failure mode.

Memory smooths. Reconstructing a fortnight from recollection produces a series that is more regular, more consistent with your current beliefs, and quietly wrong in a direction that flatters the story you are already telling.

I found this out by reconstructing six weeks and later finding order receipts that contradicted my own entries. The log was not a little wrong; it was wrong in exactly the direction that made my narrative work. Write it down on the day, even the boring days, especially the boring days.

Corrections welcome, especially the pedantic ones. Pedantry is how this board earns its reputation.

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u/peak_area_peteanalytical50 points·1 year ago

Choose a format you will still be able to open in two years. Plain text or a spreadsheet you export beats an application that may not exist.

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u/anya_erdogan40 points·1 year ago

Attribution requires that one thing change at a time. A log with dose, training and intake all moving in the same fortnight cannot assign anything to any of them.

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u/dose_creep_dan24 points·1 year ago

A log is only interpretable if the conditions are consistent. Same day, same time, same state, same scale — otherwise you are recording measurement variability rather than change.

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u/laila_wojcikOP17 points·1 year ago

Same conditions each time for the weigh-in?

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u/camila_sandvik21 points·1 year ago·edited

a log with no dates is a story

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u/adaeze_cabrera20 points·1 year ago

log what you did, not what you meant to do

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u/ruben_brandt13 points·1 year ago

Are the missed weeks in there as blanks or dropped entirely?

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u/ahmed_abubakar6 points·1 year ago

the value of a log is in month six, not week one

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u/honest_syringe2 points·1 year ago

Built an elaborate spreadsheet, abandoned it by week nine, restarted with four columns and have kept it ever since.

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u/laila_wojcikOP-17 points·1 year ago

Are the missed weeks in there as blanks or dropped entirely?

Adding the column everyone adds late — sleep. Start with it.

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u/laila_wojcikOP1 point·1 year ago

Correcting my own log post above: I had the dose recorded wrongly for one fortnight and have amended it.

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u/honest_syringe_pls14 points·1 year ago

Agreed that consistent conditions matter more than frequency. Daily weights under varying conditions are noise.

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u/diego_almeida7 points·1 year ago

Same. Waist monthly was the column I added late and wish I had started with.

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u/emil_agyeman5 points·1 year ago

Logged the missed weeks as blanks rather than skipping them. The gaps turned out to be the informative part.

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u/flair_enthusiast3 points·1 year ago

Right, and the payoff arrives around month six when a pattern becomes visible that nobody could hold in their head.

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u/laila_wojcik10 points·1 year ago

write the concentration in the log too

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u/constipation_clubside effects8 points·1 year ago

Contemporaneous records do not drift; reconstructed ones do, and the drift is systematic rather than random because memory smooths.

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u/viktor_erdogan4 points·1 year ago·edited

Contemporaneous records do not drift; reconstructed ones do, and the drift is systematic rather than random because memory smooths.

constipation_club is right about blanks. Silent gaps make the series lie.

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