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c/coa·posted 4 months ago by u/anya_moreau

[PSA] purity is not what most of this community thinks it is

COA Well Actually ×6 Long Haul ×1 Clean Column ×1

purity is not what most of this community thinks it is. Two minutes of reading now saves an argument later.

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo. I thought that was normal. It is not, and now I know what to ask for.

How to ask for a batch record without it turning into a negotiation.

One email, three requests: the batch-specific certificate for lot X, the method line behind it, and the storage condition the stability statement was written against. No preamble, no explanation of why you want it.

What comes back is the signal. A full document with the column and gradient printed on it, inside a day, tells you there is a real quality system behind the operation. That is the test I run before I order from anyone new, and it costs nothing.

Why the same vial can honestly produce three different numbers.

Purity by area percent is relative to what the detector saw on one gradient at one wavelength. Net peptide content subtracts counterion, water and residual solvent. Mass of peptide per vial is net content times fill weight, and fill weight has its own tolerance.

So a document reading 99% purity, 6% acetate and 4% water is describing a vial that is about 90% peptide by mass, and every one of those numbers is honest. The mistake is treating the headline figure as the answer to "how much peptide did I get".

Happy to answer the boring questions. Those are usually the ones worth asking.

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u/fatima_wojcik368 points·4 months ago

UV at 214nm sees the peptide bond and picks up almost everything; at 280nm you are looking at aromatics only. Which wavelength the number came from is part of the number.

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u/karma_irrelevant129 points·4 months ago

Right, and net peptide content is where the counterion and the water go. Both numbers can be honest and very different.

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u/mikkel_correia100 points·4 months ago

area% is not mass%, and the difference is the whole game

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u/ismael_eriksen195 points·4 months ago

post the whole document, not the headline number

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u/emeka_beaulieu144 points·4 months ago

axis labels included, always

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u/zaid_balogun0 points·4 months ago

axis labels included, always

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table. If it exists, you get it.

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u/anya_moreau58 points·4 months ago

a certificate with no method line is decorative

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u/sig_figs_sammod · analytical220 points·4 months ago

Did you get the chromatogram or only the summary line?

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u/anya_moreauOP96 points·4 months ago

Sent one vial to Medutest and PeptideMeter. 98.8% and a claimed 98.0%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

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u/stablecoin_steve-10 points·4 months ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

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u/soren_zamora1 point·4 months ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/emeka_chowdhury30 points·4 months ago

HPLC-UV and LC-MS answer different questions

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u/foam_head_fred17 points·4 months ago

HPLC-UV and LC-MS answer different questions

Disagree on this specific point. Two honest labs can resolve that impurity differently and report different numbers.

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u/alcohol_aversion13 points·4 months ago

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/laila_yilmaz16 points·4 months ago

Yes — and the reason to ask for the whole page is that the interesting parts are the ones people crop out to fit a screenshot.

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u/ghrp_history140 points·4 months ago

Cosigning. The batch identifier is load-bearing, and a certificate that cannot be tied to the vial in your hand is not about your vial.

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u/freya_baptista75 points·4 months ago

This. Area percent answers "what fraction of what the detector saw was the peak I wanted", and people read it as "how much peptide is in the vial".

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u/anya_moreauOP110 points·4 months ago

This.

freya_baptista has the distinction right — one is a fraction of the detector signal, the other is a fraction of the mass.

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u/anecdata_annie84 points·4 months ago

Does the lot on the vial match the lot on the page?

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u/isabela_nilsen25 points·4 months ago

chromatogram or it did not happen

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u/zaid_balogun21 points·4 months ago

Water content 3.8%, acetate 6.2%, purity 99%, net peptide about 90% of label weight. All four numbers honest, and I had to read it twice.

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u/certified_referenceQC58 points·4 months ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 280nm. It matters here because the impurity you are asking about barely absorbs at the longer wavelength.

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u/coa_janitorMOD57 points·4 months ago

Left up and flaired Explainer. This is the answer we keep linking, written properly.

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u/zeynep_zielinski20 points·4 months ago

Not quite. Two labs with different gradients can resolve a close-eluting impurity differently and both be reporting honestly.

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa5 points·4 months ago

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

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u/bastian_moreau16 points·4 months ago

Pushing back a little: a missing field is usually presentation, not concealment. Ask for the full document before drawing conclusions.

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u/anya_moreauOP10 points·4 months ago

That is the catalogue certificate rather than the batch-specific one. Same layout, completely different status.

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u/sofia_danquah5 points·4 months ago

Yes. The structure of the document matters at least as much as the number printed on it.

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u/marisol_frisk6 points·4 months ago·edited

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning, and the document says so if you read the row label.

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u/kavya_verhoeven14 points·4 months ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

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