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do units actually matter or is it forum lore at this point

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Asking properly rather than in a comment on somebody else’s thread: do units actually matter or is it forum lore at this point.

Aim the stream down the wall of the vial rather than into the cake. Reconstitution is a solubility problem, not a mixing problem, and mechanical shear does nothing helpful.

Reconstituted at 1mL when I meant to use a different volume. Caught it because the units looked wrong on the barrel. Now I write 30mg/mL on the glass before I put the cap back.

I keep a laminated card in the drawer with the arithmetic on it. Looks ridiculous. Has never once let me draw the wrong volume.

Sceptical readings welcome. The confident ones are the ones I distrust.

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u/hub_opssite staff745 points·1 year ago

The lyophilised cake displaces a small volume, so the true concentration is very slightly lower than the arithmetic suggests. It is a fraction of a percent and it is dwarfed by fill tolerance.

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u/vial_math_veraMOD376 points·1 year ago

Left up and flaired Explainer — the numbers in this one check out.

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u/lurker_for_years197 points·1 year ago

Small fix — a U-100 syringe is 100 units per mL. If yours is marked differently it is not U-100 and the whole calculation changes.

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u/ledger_modmod · vetting123 points·1 year ago

Bacteriostatic water contains benzyl alcohol as a preservative, which is what makes repeated entry into the same vial reasonable. Plain sterile water has no preservative.

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u/declared_value_dv-22 points·1 year ago

Show the arithmetic — where did the unit figure come from?

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u/ines_ekstrom559 points·1 year ago

more water is not more drug, it is the same drug in a bigger volume

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u/iman_falk447 points·1 year ago

That is sterile water, not bacteriostatic. Same appearance, different product, and it matters for a multi-draw vial.

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u/hedda_ekstrom375 points·1 year ago

Started reconstituting everything to a round concentration and the six-in-the-morning error rate went to zero.

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u/kavya_radich151 points·1 year ago·edited

twice as much water halves the concentration and doubles the units for the same dose

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u/sofia_danquah313 points·1 year ago

dead space in the needle hub is real and it is small

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u/marta_weiss271 points·1 year ago

reconstituting at a round concentration makes every later dose easy

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u/nabila_espinoza122 points·1 year ago

reconstituting at a round concentration makes every later dose easy

Adding one thing — put the date on the label too. Concentration plus date and you can never mix two vials up.

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u/sleep_apnea_sam185 points·1 year ago

units are a volume on a U-100 syringe, not a dose

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u/santiago_ndiayeOP159 points·1 year ago

Correction: that gives 30 units, not what you have written. 10mg into 3mL is 3.33mg/mL and the division follows from there.

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u/mateusz_achebe213 points·1 year ago

label the vial with the date as well as the concentration

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u/santiago_ndiayeOP111 points·1 year ago

The dead space question sent me down a rabbit hole for a week. It is a fraction of a unit and it is the same every draw.

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u/spain_receta64 points·1 year ago

5mg into 1mL is 5mg/mL, and 0.75mg of that is 15 units

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u/priya_guerrero33 points·1 year ago

Cosigning the round-number approach. Reconstituting to something awkward is how you end up drawing 27.5 units at six in the morning.

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u/emil_okwuosa26 points·1 year ago

the number you write down is the number you will trust at 6am

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u/ruben_cabrera183 points·1 year ago

That only works if the fill weight is exactly the label weight, and it usually is not exactly anything.

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u/escrow_evangelist120 points·1 year ago·edited

How many mg in the vial and how many mL are you adding?

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u/anya_antonsen100 points·1 year ago

do the arithmetic before you reconstitute, not while holding a syringe

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u/alcohol_aversion124 points·1 year ago

Right — the volume you add is the only variable you control here, and the cake does not change it meaningfully.

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u/marta_weiss58 points·1 year ago

Right — the volume you add is the only variable you control here, and the cake does not change it meaningfully.

This is the sentence that makes the rest unnecessary. Write it on the vial and the problem is gone.

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u/yusuf_achebe85 points·1 year ago

a U-100 syringe reads 100 units to the millilitre, every time

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u/declared_value_dv23 points·1 year ago

the powder cake sits at the bottom, the volume you add is the volume that counts

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u/santiago_ndiayeOP18 points·1 year ago

the powder cake sits at the bottom, the volume you add is the volume that counts

Disagreeing with this line only: adding more water is not a safety margin, it is a different divisor.

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u/ilias_cabrera21 points·1 year ago

if the maths gives you a fraction of a unit, change the concentration

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u/swirl_dont_shakereconstitution39 points·1 year ago

Pushback on the syringe advice: a U-100 barrel reads units of volume. Calling them "doses" is how the confusion starts.

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