[Discussion] can we stop arguing about long term until somebody posts a number
can we stop arguing about long term until somebody posts a number. I am not trying to be the "source?" guy. I would just like a source.
Body weight varies by a couple of kilos over days in stable people through fluid, glycogen and gut content. A range is not a trend.
Appetite returning before the scale moves follows from the mechanism: the appetite effect is the proximal one and weight is the lagging integrated outcome.
Maintenance is the phase with the least published guidance and the most individual variation, which is precisely why board consensus here is worth less than usual.
Sceptical readings welcome. The confident ones are the ones I distrust.
best — the order this archive was captured in
None of this is a taper plan. What dose holds for you is a question for somebody with your history in front of them.
What dose are you holding, and for how long now?
appetite returns before the scale acknowledges anything
Cosigning on planning it in advance. Deciding what maintenance looks like while still losing is much easier than deciding it in a panic.
Been at maintenance for 2 months on 1.0mg. Nothing happens. That is the whole report and it took me a while to accept it as success.
Dose reduction and interval extension are different interventions. Halving the dose keeps the rhythm and lowers the level; stretching keeps the level and lowers the frequency, with a lower trough.
What is the plan if the drift continues for another month?
That is a range, not a trend. Two weigh-ins 5 days apart cannot distinguish them.
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Agreed that a few kilos of drift is ordinary. Weight is not a fixed number even for people who have never taken anything.
What does your weigh-in frequency look like at this point?
Disagree with chasing the last stretch by going up. You are trading a real side-effect cost for a number you chose arbitrarily.
seven days to ten to twelve is the sequence people here describe
Removed the taper schedule aimed at another member. Describe your own; do not write theirs.
maintenance is a phase, not a finish line
I would not treat a two-kilo range as drift requiring action. That is ordinary weight variation.
a few kilos of drift is not a relapse
the lowest effective dose is a real target and nobody talks about it
stretching the interval is not the same as reducing the dose
the lowest effective dose is a real target and nobody talks about it
This reframing is the most useful thing on the board for anyone approaching this phase.
Agreed. Lowest effective dose is the actual maintenance question and it gets almost no airtime next to the escalation threads.
do not chase the last two kilos with a dose increase
the trials that looked at withdrawal are unambiguous about what follows
monthly weigh-ins are enough at this stage
Correction: that trial measured regain after withdrawal, not failure of the drug during treatment. Very different claim.
regain after stopping is the expected outcome, not a personal failure
find the dose that holds, then stop optimising
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