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c/maintenancephase·posted 10 months ago by u/nnt_nate

the regain thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down

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the regain thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down, which sounds obvious until you try to state the evidence for it.

Withdrawal studies in this class consistently show substantial regain after discontinuation. That is a pharmacological finding about a chronic condition, not a statement about anyone’s discipline.

Body weight varies by a couple of kilos over days in stable people through fluid, glycogen and gut content. A range is not a trend.

Dose reduction and interval extension are different interventions. Halving the dose keeps the rhythm and lowers the level; stretching keeps the level and lowers the frequency, with a lower trough.

Corrections welcome, especially the pedantic ones. Pedantry is how this board earns its reputation.

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u/maintenance_mode_maxMOD480 points·10 months ago

Left up. It is a maintenance report with a duration attached and those are rarer than they should be.

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[deleted]352 points·10 months ago

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u/hassan_ostergaard294 points·10 months ago

That is a range, not a trend. Two weigh-ins 9 days apart cannot distinguish them.

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u/paper_trail_paulavetting161 points·10 months ago

a few kilos of drift is not a relapse

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u/nadia_trevino211 points·10 months ago·edited

Same. Monthly is plenty at this stage and daily weighing made me miserable for no information gain.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist336 points·10 months ago

Appetite returning before the scale moves follows from the mechanism: the appetite effect is the proximal one and weight is the lagging integrated outcome.

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u/rafael_krastev183 points·10 months ago

None of this is a taper plan. What dose holds for you is a question for somebody with your history in front of them.

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u/nadia_nascimento493 points·10 months ago·edited

Interval stretching changes the exposure profile: with a week-long half-life, moving to ten or twelve days lowers trough concentration more than it lowers average exposure. That is why appetite return is often the first thing noticed.

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u/graph_it_gary168 points·10 months ago

Maintenance is the phase with the least published guidance and the most individual variation, which is precisely why board consensus here is worth less than usual.

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u/mass_spec_maggieMS207 points·10 months ago

Two years at maintenance. The logistics are the only remaining work — ordering, storing, remembering.

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u/tomas_lokken-11 points·10 months ago

maintenance is where the logistics finally get boring, which is the point

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u/nnt_nateOP1 point·10 months ago

maintenance is where the logistics finally get boring, which is the point

Disagreeing with this bit: a two-kilo range is not drift and treating it as a problem creates one.

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u/teodor_duarte1 point·10 months ago

Did you decide what maintenance would look like before you got here?

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u/purity_pedantanalytical1 point·10 months ago

Correction: that trial measured regain after withdrawal, not failure of the drug during treatment. Very different claim.

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u/aleksi_lehtinen1 point·10 months ago

the trials that looked at withdrawal are unambiguous about what follows

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u/nnt_nateOP1 point·10 months ago

Been at maintenance for 22 months on 2.4mg. Nothing happens. That is the whole report and it took me a while to accept it as success.

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u/anders_vermeulen1 point·10 months ago

find the dose that holds, then stop optimising

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u/anders_osei144 points·10 months ago·edited

regain after stopping is the expected outcome, not a personal failure

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u/arne_ndiaye168 points·10 months ago

the habits are the part that has to outlive the dose

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u/kofi_ferreira92 points·10 months ago

Weigh monthly now. Best change I made in the whole run and it cost nothing.

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u/taper_off_tabitha63 points·10 months ago

stretching the interval is not the same as reducing the dose

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u/osman_ferrari91 points·10 months ago

the lowest effective dose is a real target and nobody talks about it

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u/paper_trail_paulavetting54 points·10 months ago

On stopping, since it is the question underneath most posts here.

Withdrawal studies in this class show substantial regain after discontinuation, consistently, across compounds. Appetite returns first, typically well before the scale moves. That is a statement about the pharmacology of a chronic condition, not about anybody’s character, and the framing matters because people quit in shame over an entirely predictable result.

If you are going to stop — for cost, for supply, for any reason — the useful preparation is deciding in advance what you will watch for and what your plan is when appetite comes back. Doing that in advance is much easier than doing it in a panic, and it is a conversation to have with someone who knows your history.

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u/britt_abubakar43 points·10 months ago·edited

Drifted up 9kg over a winter and panicked. It came back off without any change, which is apparently just what weight does.

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