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c/hplc·posted 1 year ago by u/bilal_adebayo

genuine question about HPLC that I am slightly embarrassed to ask

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Question in the title, detail here: genuine question about HPLC that I am slightly embarrassed to ask.

MKM sent me the column, the gradient and the theoretical mass without being asked. That is a short list and they are on it.

Started reporting my own integrations with the baseline choice stated. Arguments in my threads dropped by about half.

Gave the same trace to two people I trust and got two integrations about a point apart. That was the most educational afternoon I have had here.

If two or three other people have done the same thing we might actually learn something. Alone it is an anecdote.

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u/mass_spec_maggieMOD1.1k points·1 year ago

Trace posted without axis labels — asked for a relabelled version rather than removing it.

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u/matias_salgado269 points·1 year ago

I would not blame the sample yet. Everything you have described is consistent with the column rather than the vial.

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u/bilal_adebayoOP166 points·1 year ago

two labs, two gradients, two honest answers

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u/bilal_adebayoOP610 points·1 year ago

Same method at both labs, or two different gradients?

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa1k points·1 year ago

Resolution between two peaks depends on retention, selectivity and efficiency. A shallower gradient buys retention and usually resolution, at the cost of peak width and run time.

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u/rina_nascimento262 points·1 year ago

Ran a blank after a high-concentration injection and found the carryover I had been calling an impurity.

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u/kofi_ferreira77 points·1 year ago

Careful — you are treating retention time as identity. Two things can co-elute and the trace will not tell you.

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u/camila_lindqvist505 points·1 year ago

Area percent is the integrated area of your peak over the total integrated area at one wavelength on one gradient. Change any of those and the number changes without the sample changing.

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u/rasmus_kimani171 points·1 year ago·edited

Yes. Retention time is a hypothesis about identity. Mass is the answer.

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u/bilal_adebayoOP96 points·1 year ago

system suitability before you believe any number on the run

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u/samir_falk73 points·1 year ago

you cannot report to two decimals off that baseline

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u/medutest_mel47 points·1 year ago

reproducibility beats resolution if you only get one of them

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u/valeria_cardoso37 points·1 year ago

a blank injection between samples costs four minutes and settles most arguments

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u/endotoxin_elliemicro275 points·1 year ago

Agreed, and it is why CPC printing the column and gradient on the certificate is genuinely useful rather than decorative.

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u/honest_syringe_pls185 points·1 year ago

Agreed. Two analysts, one trace, two integration choices, and a spread that has nothing to do with the vial.

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u/dilara_nyberg176 points·1 year ago

That figure cannot be quoted to two decimals off that baseline. The precision is not in the data.

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u/crosspost_bot_no114 points·1 year ago

Disagree. Inter-lab spread of a point or two on this assay is ordinary and calling it a discrepancy misleads people.

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u/georgi_tamm441 points·1 year ago

Sent the same vial to Janoshik and VendorInvestigate. 99.4% against a claimed 98.5%. The difference was the gradient, not the material.

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u/gustav_solberg649 points·1 year ago·edited

UV response is not uniform across species. At 214nm you are looking at the peptide bond, which is why it is the working wavelength for this class; at 280nm you only see tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine.

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u/mass_spec_maggieMS253 points·1 year ago·edited

Not convinced by that integration. Dropping the baseline there absorbs part of the shoulder into the main peak.

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u/reverse_image_ron205 points·1 year ago

a shoulder is not an impurity until you can resolve it

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u/priya_ogunleye192 points·1 year ago

Push back: a longer run is not automatically better resolution. You are trading peak width for time and the ratio is what matters.

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u/b12_baseline93 points·1 year ago

integration decisions move the number more than the sample does

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u/cormac_roos-14 points·1 year ago

the column has a history and it shows in the peak shape

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u/sig_figs_sammod · analytical1 point·1 year ago

report the method or do not report the number

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u/saskia_bakker1 point·1 year ago

214nm sees the peptide bond, 280nm sees the aromatics

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u/step_count_stan1 point·1 year ago

retention time alone is not identity

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u/ignacio_vanhecke154 points·1 year ago

baseline choice is a decision, not a measurement

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u/priya_ogunleye81 points·1 year ago

Cosigning the wavelength point. Half the disagreements in this board are two people looking at different detectors.

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