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c/coldchain·posted 1 year ago by u/priya_ogunleye

Germany: data logger, and what it actually costs here

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Germany: data logger, and what it actually costs here — a position I have arrived at slowly and would like tested.

On loggers, since I was sceptical and then bought one.

A small transit logger costs a fraction of a vial and records the whole journey rather than the moment of arrival. What I learned from three of them: my lane is far more stable than I assumed, the one excursion I did capture was on a weekend, and the arrival-temperature guessing I had been doing was worthless.

If you are going to argue about cold chain, argue from a chart. It is a one-off purchase and it ends the speculation permanently.

Once in solution, the relevant risks are hydrolysis, aggregation and, for some sequences, oxidation. Refrigeration slows all three; freezing a solution introduces a separate risk at the ice interface.

Lyophilisation removes the water that drives most degradation pathways. That is why the dry cake is comparatively robust and the reconstituted solution is not.

Happy to answer the boring questions. Those are usually the ones worth asking.

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u/mod_cold_roomMOD276 points·1 year ago

Left up and added to the lane table. Origin, destination and month were all included, which is all we ask.

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u/marta_ilunga375 points·1 year ago

A transit temperature logger records a distribution, and time above a threshold matters as much as peak temperature. That is the argument for logging rather than guessing.

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u/asks_dumb_questions288 points·1 year ago·edited

A transit temperature logger records a distribution, and time above a threshold matters as much as peak temperature.

Disagreeing with this line only: freezing a reconstituted vial is not a safe default.

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u/nadia_kjaer166 points·1 year ago

Regional stock changes the question rather than answering it: shorter lanes mean less exposure and fewer variables, which is why the warehouse question is worth asking before ordering in summer.

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u/plain_titration_202468 points·1 year ago

Kept a vial at room temperature for eleven days by accident. Tested it out of guilt. It was fine.

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u/aleksi_eriksen-12 points·1 year ago

Put a logger in three consecutive orders. Two never went above the range at all and the third spent four hours warm on a Friday. Cost me almost nothing to stop wondering.

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u/brigade_detector101 points·1 year ago

Wrote the reconstitution date on the vial for the first time last year. Have never once since wondered how old a solution is.

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u/elodie_kuipers71 points·1 year ago

Yes — reconstitution date on the vial. It is the number you will want and cannot reconstruct.

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u/priya_ogunleyeOP26 points·1 year ago

Asked Homopeptide which lines they hold regionally and got a straight list back. That answered my summer ordering question completely.

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u/milan_mensah31 points·1 year ago

the door shelf is the worst place in the fridge

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u/soren_yildiz13 points·1 year ago

Asked Homopeptide which lines they hold regionally and got a straight list back.

priya_ogunleye is right that the pack failing is not the material failing. Two separate claims.

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u/hugo_bergstrom34 points·1 year ago

Agreed. The dry powder is the robust state; it is the solution that needs the care.

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u/nikhil_asante19 points·1 year ago

Agreed on seasonality. The same lane in February and August is not the same lane.

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u/emeka_delgado16 points·1 year ago

Split an order across two months deliberately to compare summer and winter transit on the same lane. Four days difference, same carrier.

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u/marit_laurent28 points·1 year ago

Gel pack fully liquid on arrival, powder tested 99.1% against a claimed 98.5% afterwards. The pack had done its job for as long as it was designed to.

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u/reship_roulette17 points·1 year ago·edited

Gel pack fully liquid on arrival, powder tested 99.1% against a claimed 98.5% afterwards.

Adding the practical version: ask which lines are held regionally before you order in July.

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u/marit_laurent5 points·1 year ago

a logger costs less than a vial and answers the question permanently

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u/split_dose_sceptic2 points·1 year ago

a summer lane and a winter lane are different lanes

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u/anjali_tamm15 points·1 year ago

the excursion that matters is the one after reconstitution

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u/priya_weiss44 points·1 year ago

You cannot infer potency from a temperature record. The record tells you what happened to the box; only a test tells you what happened to the material.

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u/zeynep_ndiaye25 points·1 year ago

Not convinced. A warm pack on day six is expected behaviour from a pack designed for four.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch2821 points·1 year ago

Gel packs are designed for a duty cycle. A liquid pack at the end of a longer-than-expected transit is a pack behaving as specified, not evidence of an excursion in the vial.

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u/soren_yildiz21 points·1 year ago

Push back: you cannot infer degradation from a temperature excursion alone. That is what testing is for.

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u/jarno_karlsen8 points·1 year ago

powder at room temperature for a few days is usually a non-event

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u/split_dose_sceptic5 points·1 year ago

Correcting myself above: the transit was 10 days, not the figure I posted. Same conclusion, wrong number.

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u/iman_castellanos7 points·1 year ago

Careful. "The cold chain failed" is a strong claim and the evidence you have is a warm box.

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u/priya_ogunleyeOP6 points·1 year ago

fridge, not freezer, once it is in solution

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u/priya_ogunleyeOP4 points·1 year ago

regional stock removes most of this problem entirely

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