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c/coldchain·posted 1 year ago by u/emeka_beaulieu

[Discussion] the excursion advice in here is 2 years out of date

Discussion Cold Box ×1 Well Actually ×2 Receipts ×3

the excursion advice in here is 2 years out of date — a position I have arrived at slowly and would like tested.

To save the first four comments: 2 years.

Once in solution, the relevant risks are hydrolysis, aggregation and, for some sequences, oxidation. Refrigeration slows all three; freezing a solution introduces a separate risk at the ice interface.

Lyophilisation removes the water that drives most degradation pathways. That is why the dry cake is comparatively robust and the reconstituted solution is not.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/usb_logger_ursulaMOD791 points·1 year ago

Tracking number redacted. It identifies both ends of a shipment and that rule has no exceptions.

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u/isabela_nilsen193 points·1 year ago·edited

Not convinced. A warm pack on day six is expected behaviour from a pack designed for four.

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u/elodie_kuipers151 points·1 year ago

ask which lines are held in regional stock before you order in July

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u/emeka_beaulieu483 points·1 year ago

Regional stock changes the question rather than answering it: shorter lanes mean less exposure and fewer variables, which is why the warehouse question is worth asking before ordering in summer.

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u/careful_gradient_again259 points·1 year ago

What was the packaging — rigid outer, gel packs, anything insulating?

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u/isabela_nilsen409 points·1 year ago·edited

That is a lane problem rather than a packaging problem, and the fixes are different.

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u/emeka_beaulieuOP150 points·1 year ago

How many days in transit, and which month?

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u/nadia_kjaer126 points·1 year ago

Right, and asking what the stability statement was written against is one line of email that reframes everything.

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u/milan_mensah71 points·1 year ago

Careful. "The cold chain failed" is a strong claim and the evidence you have is a warm box.

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u/soren_yildiz32 points·1 year ago

Which lane, and had it been quoted at that transit time?

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u/sterile_field_steph47 points·1 year ago

Do you know what storage condition the stability statement covers?

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u/milos_vestergaard300 points·1 year ago

Asked MKM which lines they hold regionally and got a straight list back. That answered my summer ordering question completely.

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u/nikhil_asante219 points·1 year ago

Is this a line they hold in regional stock or is it shipping from origin?

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u/solene_abubakar137 points·1 year ago

Kept a vial at room temperature for eleven days by accident. Tested it out of guilt. It was fine.

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u/vito_chowdhury67 points·1 year ago

Split an order across two months deliberately to compare summer and winter transit on the same lane. Four days difference, same carrier.

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u/anya_rautio130 points·1 year ago

Push back: you cannot infer degradation from a temperature excursion alone. That is what testing is for.

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