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c/semaglutide·posted 1 year ago by u/quiet_moderator

[Discussion] we are measuring plateau at the wrong time and calling it noise

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Thinking out loud about this: we are measuring plateau at the wrong time and calling it noise.

On the "everybody ends up at 2.4" claim, which comes up every few weeks.

The escalation schedule in the trials was designed to get people to a fixed study dose. Real use is not a trial. The dose that keeps your appetite quiet with side effects you can live with is the dose, and for a lot of people on this board that has been 1.0mg for a very long time.

The counter-argument, which is fair: some people genuinely do need the top of the range, and staying low out of caution costs them months. That is a conversation with someone who knows your history, not with us.

Steady state after a dose change takes four to five half-lives, so the fair judgement point on a new step is about a month, not four days.

The escalation schedule in the trials existed to keep people on the drug. It is a tolerability ramp, and it is why the label reads the way it does.

Ask me anything specific. Anything general I will probably get wrong.

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u/viktor_nkemelu711 points·1 year ago

Delayed gastric emptying is most pronounced early and attenuates with continued dosing, which is why the nausea usually fades at a stable dose.

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u/ferritin_low363 points·1 year ago

Cosigning. The appetite change and the scale change ran about three weeks apart for me too.

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u/prior_auth_painappeals92 points·1 year ago

Same injection day each week, or has it drifted?

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u/marta_trevino37 points·1 year ago

Minor fix — the half-life is about a week, not about a day. The rest of your point stands.

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u/dead_space_doug18 points·1 year ago·edited

Strongly agree on protein. It did more for my fatigue than any of the things I bought to fix my fatigue.

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u/quiet_moderatorOPmod0 points·1 year ago

Are you measuring anything other than weight? Waist is usually the one that keeps moving.

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u/ffmi_watcher1 point·1 year ago

That figure is the 68-week trial mean, not a weekly rate. Dividing it by the weeks gives you a number that does not mean anything.

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u/ismael_chukwu319 points·1 year ago

The weekly interval comes out of the half-life — roughly a week — so you are on a smooth curve rather than a series of spikes. That is also why moving your day slightly does very little.

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u/helga_vermeulen152 points·1 year ago

week 20 plateau is the most predictable thing in this entire board

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u/elodie_grimaldi79 points·1 year ago

stalling at 0.25mg is information, not a verdict

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u/hugo_bergstrom127 points·1 year ago

Careful. A four-week stall is inside normal variation and treating it as failure is how people escalate for no reason.

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u/pavel_nkemelu164 points·1 year ago

Genuine question — is the appetite effect still there, or is it just the scale that has paused?

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u/wanjiru_varga88 points·1 year ago

Disagree. 2.4 is the top of the label, not the goal, and "everyone ends up there" is just survivorship in the posts you read.

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u/zeynep_weiss59 points·1 year ago

STEP-1 averaged just under 15% at 68 weeks, so a 10% year is not a failure

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u/teodor_duarte259 points·1 year ago

Small correction: 2.4mg is the maintenance ceiling on the label, not the starting maintenance dose. The distinction matters for anyone reading this later.

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u/yara_boateng85 points·1 year ago

dose day drift of a day either way is fine, the curve barely notices

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa71 points·1 year ago

Sceptical of the mechanism you are proposing. Gastric emptying slows, it does not stop, and the timings you describe do not follow from it.

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u/iman_castellanos41 points·1 year ago

Sceptical of the mechanism you are proposing.

Disagree with this specific line. A pause at 0.5mg is not evidence that 0.5mg has stopped working.

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u/zeynep_zielinski21 points·1 year ago

the scale is the least sensitive instrument you own

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u/customs_seizure_sid54 points·1 year ago

nausea that arrives on day two and fades by day four is the standard shape

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u/anya_antonsen173 points·1 year ago

What dose and how many weeks at it before this started?

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u/rania_diallo48 points·1 year ago

That reads like a titration plan and this board cannot give you one. Somebody who actually knows your history has to.

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u/quiet_moderatormod38 points·1 year ago

the food noise going quiet is the effect people actually describe

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u/kaplan_meier_kim33 points·1 year ago

Yes. Week 71 is when almost everybody writes the "is it still working" post, and almost everybody is fine.

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u/sorted_by_new16 points·1 year ago

staying at 1.0mg for an extra month is a legitimate plan

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u/units_not_mgMOD172 points·1 year ago

Standard reminder: no personal titration plans for other members, and no medical advice. Everything else is fine.

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u/ravi_bergstrom106 points·1 year ago

Same. I sat at 0.5mg for three months because it was working and there was nothing to fix.

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u/oskar_ibarra-27 points·1 year ago

First month I lost almost nothing and nearly quit. Month two and three were where it all happened.

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u/plain_titration1 point·1 year ago

the ladder exists because the gut needs the time, not because the pharmacy likes paperwork

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