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c/retatrutide·submitted 2 months ago by u/andres_restrepo

[PSA] phase 2 is not what most of this community thinks it is

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The one-line version is the title: phase 2 is not what most of this community thinks it is. The rest is why. It is a triple agonist at the GLP-1, GIP and glucagon receptors. The glucagon arm is the genuinely novel component and it is the one with the least human outcome data behind it. Increases in heart rate have…

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u/ewan_marchand148 points·2 months ago

wait for phase 3 before you argue about rankings

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u/andres_restrepoOP213 points·2 months ago

wait for phase 3 before you argue about rankings

Agreed, and the glucagon arm is exactly why the comparison threads do not work.

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd49 points·2 months ago

comparing reta phase 2 to sema phase 3 is comparing different things

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u/jarno_cabrera120 points·2 months ago

small trial, big effect, wide error bars

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u/burned_once_twice95 points·2 months ago

research-use-only material is not approved for human use, full stop

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u/incretin_ivypharmacology66 points·2 months ago

Sceptical of the extrapolation. Forty-eight weeks does not tell you about seventy-two, and the curve shape is exactly what is unknown.

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u/freya_baptista54 points·2 months ago

nothing here is available as a prescription product, so read every thread with that in mind

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd83 points·2 months ago

Sent a vial to VendorInvestigate out of curiosity. Result was 98.7% against a claimed 98.0%, which is the first independent number I had seen for this compound anywhere.

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u/yara_lindholm35 points·2 months ago

the phase 2 numbers were striking and they were also 48 weeks in a small population

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u/careful_gradient_notes16 points·2 months ago

the phase 2 numbers were striking and they were also 48 weeks in a small population

Disagree with this specific inference. A 48-week readout does not tell you the shape of the curve after it.

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u/honest_syringe3320 points·2 months ago

The constipation profile felt different rather than worse. Hard to describe and impossible to quantify, so take it as an impression.

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u/yusuf_ramos12 points·2 months ago

Right, and it bears repeating that nothing here is approved anywhere and research material is not for human use.

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Retatrutide: GIP/GLP-1/glucagon triple agonism, the TRIUMPH programme, and the fact that most people discussing it are handling research-grade material with no human-use approval anywhere. Dose-response, heart-rate signal, and the unusually steep phase-2 weight curves get argued about here weekly.

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