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c/meta·posted 6 days ago by u/hamza_weiss

[Discussion] are the c/vendorvetting evidence rules too strict (no)

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The title is the whole question — are the c/vendorvetting evidence rules too strict (no) — but here is why I am asking.

The ranking functions are published: the hot ordering combines score magnitude with age, and the controversial ordering weights total volume by the balance between up and down votes. Both are reproducible from the numbers on each submission.

Funding and links, in full, because the question deserves a straight answer.

Sponsor units are labelled as sponsored. Each vendor source page carries one outbound link to that supplier’s own storefront, marked nofollow and sponsored, so you can read their account of themselves against the record on the page. Nothing is received for those links, no supplier pays for a directory position, and no rating is for sale.

No referral or affiliate links are permitted anywhere on the site, from anybody, including in the pricing threads where the temptation is highest. That rule is the reason those threads are worth reading, and it is enforced without exception. The full version of all of this is on the about page and it is deliberately boring.

What the ranking does, in case you assume it is hiding something.

The hot ordering combines the magnitude of a submission’s score with its age, so that a new post with moderate support can outrank an older one with more. The controversial ordering weights total vote volume by how evenly it splits, so a heavily contested thread rises above a small evenly-split one.

Both are published, and both are reproducible from the score and timestamp shown on every submission — one member here rebuilt the ordering in a spreadsheet to check. The consequence worth knowing is structural: feed position rewards early agreement, so the top comment is frequently not the best answer. Sorting by controversial occasionally is genuinely worth doing.

Not medical advice, obviously, and nothing here is approved for human use. One person with a spreadsheet.

321 up / 64 down83% upvoted23 commentsid coffyb23 Jul 2026

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u/emil_wojcik0 points·6 days ago

Moderation of individual cases happens in modmail rather than in threads, because a public discussion of one person’s removal is worse for that person than a private one.

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u/blunt_coldbox2925 points·5 days ago

How a rule actually changes here, since people assume it is arbitrary.

Somebody posts a proposal with replacement wording — not a complaint, actual text. It gets argued about, usually for a week or two. If it survives, it goes in with whatever amendments came out of the argument, and the change is announced with the reasoning attached.

The reason wording is required is that it is the only thing that can be evaluated. "The vendor evidence rules are too strict" cannot be adopted, rejected or amended. A proposed sentence can. Several rules on this site started as a comment in a thread like this one, which is the strongest argument for the process.

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u/hamza_weissOP11 points·4 days ago

the disclosure is boring because it has to be

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments11 points·4 days ago

Correction: that rule applies to the vendor boards specifically, not site-wide. The wording is on the rules page.

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u/kenji_vasquez3 points·4 days ago

Yes — a proposal with concrete wording gets discussed. A complaint about the rules in general does not.

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u/hamza_weissOP2 points·4 days ago

removals get explained publicly where the rule allows it

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u/hamza_weissOP6 points·4 days ago

What would the new rule do to the vendor evidence standard?

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u/dizzy_on_standing2 points·4 days ago

a rule you cannot inspect is just a preference

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u/quiet_moderatormod21 points·6 days ago·edited

Not convinced by the proposal as worded. It would remove the specific thing that makes the vendor board usable.

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u/soren_osei-27 points·6 days ago

Feed position is a function of early votes and time. That structurally favours agreeable early answers over correct late ones, which is why sorting by controversial occasionally is worth the effort.

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u/noor_cardoso1 point·5 days ago

modmail first, always, and the thread second

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u/salma_almeida1 point·5 days ago

The evidence standard on the vendor boards requires a document, a date or a named service behind any claim about a supplier. It is what makes those threads worth reading years later.

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u/sterile_field_steph16 points·5 days ago

the wiki is editable by anybody with standing on the site

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u/vikram_mbeki13 points·4 days ago

ranked feeds mean the top comment is not the best answer

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u/runa_wikstrom6 points·4 days ago·edited

ranked feeds mean the top comment is not the best answer

This is the principle the whole site is built on. Publish it or do not enforce it.

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u/marta_dziedzic9 points·4 days ago

rule-change proposals need a concrete wording, not a complaint

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[removed]6 points·4 days ago

[removed by moderator]

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u/old_account_20232 points·4 days ago·edited

This is the principle the whole site is built on.

Disagreeing with this bit: making individual cases public by default is worse for the person being moderated.

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