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c/meta·posted 1 year ago by u/dilara_nyberg

[Meta] proposal — a flair for moderation posts

Meta Well Actually ×5 Slow Clap ×3

proposal — a flair for moderation posts. Nothing about this affects the ranking maths, before anyone asks.

Funding and links, in full, because the question deserves a straight answer.

Sponsor units are labelled as sponsored. Each vendor source page carries one outbound link to that supplier’s own storefront, marked nofollow and sponsored, so you can read their account of themselves against the record on the page. Nothing is received for those links, no supplier pays for a directory position, and no rating is for sale.

No referral or affiliate links are permitted anywhere on the site, from anybody, including in the pricing threads where the temptation is highest. That rule is the reason those threads are worth reading, and it is enforced without exception. The full version of all of this is on the about page and it is deliberately boring.

Checked the sponsor disclosure because I assumed it would be vague. It was extremely specific and slightly boring.

How a rule actually changes here, since people assume it is arbitrary.

Somebody posts a proposal with replacement wording — not a complaint, actual text. It gets argued about, usually for a week or two. If it survives, it goes in with whatever amendments came out of the argument, and the change is announced with the reasoning attached.

The reason wording is required is that it is the only thing that can be evaluated. "The vendor evidence rules are too strict" cannot be adopted, rejected or amended. A proposed sentence can. Several rules on this site started as a comment in a thread like this one, which is the strongest argument for the process.

Sceptical readings welcome. The confident ones are the ones I distrust.

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u/injection_site_iris453 points·1 year ago

A rule-change proposal needs replacement wording because that is what can be evaluated. Without it there is nothing to compare against the current text.

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u/dilara_nybergOP315 points·1 year ago

What would the new rule do to the vendor evidence standard?

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[removed]326 points·1 year ago

[removed by moderator]

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u/rasmus_kuipers229 points·1 year ago

Have you read the published formula, genuinely asking?

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u/ice_pack_auditcold chain325 points·1 year ago

Complained about a rule without proposing anything and was politely pointed at this page. Fair.

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u/sterile_field_steph106 points·1 year ago

I would not archive earlier. The old threads are the most-searched thing on the site.

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u/yusuf_achebe54 points·1 year ago

no referral links, no affiliate links, not once

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u/rulebook_rachaelMOD165 points·1 year ago

Left up and flaired Proposal — it has replacement wording, which is what this board asks for.

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u/dilara_nybergOP122 points·1 year ago

That is the controversial ordering, not the hot one. Different formula, different behaviour.

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u/tomas_lundgren39 points·1 year ago

removals get explained publicly where the rule allows it

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u/enzo_petrescu78 points·1 year ago

the ranking formula is published, go and read it

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u/rekha_mwangi208 points·1 year ago·edited

That is a complaint rather than a proposal. Bring wording and it can actually be discussed.

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u/fatima_wojcik145 points·1 year ago

Submissions older than a year are archived: readable, linkable, and closed to new comments. That keeps a three-year-old thread from being reopened with a reply nobody will see in context.

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u/rina_ferreira169 points·1 year ago

this place sells nothing and takes nothing from any supplier

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u/tomas_lundgren140 points·1 year ago

Correction: that rule applies to the vendor boards specifically, not site-wide. The wording is on the rules page.

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u/dilara_nybergOP103 points·1 year ago

Correcting my own comment above: the proposal was adopted with an amendment, not as written.

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u/runa_wikstrom70 points·1 year ago

Small fix — archiving happens at a year, not at six months. It is in the published policy.

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u/enzo_petrescu65 points·1 year ago

What breaks if we make that change?

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u/halima_boateng51 points·1 year ago

the wiki is editable by anybody with standing on the site

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments18 points·1 year ago·edited

the wiki is editable by anybody with standing on the site

This is the principle the whole site is built on. Publish it or do not enforce it.

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u/viktor_laurent92 points·1 year ago

the disclosure is boring because it has to be

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u/ines_boateng65 points·1 year ago·edited

the disclosure is boring because it has to be

Disagreeing with this bit: making individual cases public by default is worse for the person being moderated.

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u/sanne_laurent77 points·1 year ago

the archive-after-a-year policy is deliberate

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u/cloudy_vial_carol37 points·1 year ago

Have you taken this to modmail first?

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u/quiet_moderatormod73 points·1 year ago

Right, and the storefront links on source pages are marked and disclosed, which is the honest way to do it.

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u/sterile_field_steph81 points·1 year ago

nobody here is paid, including the moderators

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u/anders_karlsen44 points·1 year ago

Disagree with loosening that. The evidence rule is why a supplier report here means something.

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u/kian_solberg19 points·1 year ago

Not convinced by the proposal as worded. It would remove the specific thing that makes the vendor board usable.

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u/marisol_frisk9 points·1 year ago·edited

Not convinced by the proposal as worded.

kian_solberg is right that the strict evidence rule is the asset, not the friction.

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u/vito_chowdhury5 points·1 year ago

Careful — that would make individual moderation cases public by default, which is worse for the person complaining.

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