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c/intlshipping·posted 1 year ago by u/farid_jansen

[Discussion] we are measuring carrier at the wrong time and calling it noise

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we are measuring carrier at the wrong time and calling it noise. It is the sort of thing everyone half-believes and nobody writes down.

Clearance took three days and the carrier took nine. I had been blaming the wrong half for two years.

Posted my first lane report here without the month and got asked for it. Fair, and the table is better for the fussiness.

Why this board reports by lane and not by supplier.

Two members ordering from the same operation, in the same month, can see completely different transit times because they are on different routes with different carriers and different clearance points. Averaging them produces a supplier-level number that predicts nothing for either of them.

A lane — origin, destination, carrier, month — is the smallest thing that behaves consistently enough to be worth measuring. Once a route has a dozen reports behind it the median is genuinely useful, and that is what the tables on the source pages are built from.

If two or three other people have done the same thing we might actually learn something. Alone it is an anecdote.

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u/naomi_ekstrom456 points·1 year ago

Total transit decomposes into first mile, international leg, clearance and last mile. Only the first two are meaningfully under the shipper’s control and most reported variance sits in the last two.

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u/farid_jansenOP668 points·1 year ago

the last mile is where most of the variance lives

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u/coa_forgery_watch271 points·1 year ago

A lane is an origin, a destination, a carrier and a season. Change any one and the distribution changes, which is why supplier-level shipping averages are close to meaningless.

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u/tarek_lokken290 points·1 year ago

Correction: that was clearance time, not carrier time. The lane table separates them for exactly this reason.

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u/teodor_szabo122 points·1 year ago

That is the quoted lead time, not the observed transit. Both belong in the report and they are different columns.

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u/ines_boateng93 points·1 year ago

Packaging is assessable on arrival with no equipment: rigid outer, no movement inside, the cold element sized to the transit rather than to the box.

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u/runa_wikstrom221 points·1 year ago

Was it shipped from a regional warehouse or from origin?

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u/laila_wojcik51 points·1 year ago

Was it shipped from a regional warehouse or from origin?

runa_wikstrom is right about regional stock. It changes the shape of the distribution, not just the mean.

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u/rohan_steiner11 points·1 year ago

reship policy in writing before you order

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u/farid_jansenOP6 points·1 year ago

a quoted lead time you can hold them to is worth more than a fast one you cannot

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u/protein_first_pnutrition165 points·1 year ago

Regional stock replaces an international lane with a domestic one. That is a structural change to the distribution, not a marginal improvement, and it is why the warehouse question matters more than the carrier question.

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u/farid_jansenOP73 points·1 year ago·edited

Correcting myself: 10 days, not the figure I posted upthread. I was counting from the order date rather than dispatch.

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u/ice_pack_auditcold chain38 points·1 year ago

ask which lines are actually held in the regional warehouse

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u/lina_adebayo112 points·1 year ago

customs clearance time is not carrier time and they get conflated

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u/endotoxin_elliemicro60 points·1 year ago

Small fix — shipped from the regional warehouse, not from origin, which is why the number looks unusual.

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u/rosa_sandvik56 points·1 year ago

a lane with four reports is not yet a lane

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u/enzo_ferrari43 points·1 year ago

Same lane, four orders, 8 to 15 days, all four within a couple of days of the quote. That consistency is the actual finding.

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u/marta_trevino132 points·1 year ago·edited

Not convinced by four data points. That is not a lane yet, it is an anecdote with a route attached.

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u/lina_adebayo55 points·1 year ago

Push back: comparing a July transit with a February one on the same lane is not a comparison.

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u/rekha_vestergaard85 points·1 year ago·edited

Median transit is the useful statistic. The minimum is a story about one shipment and the mean is dragged around by a single hold.

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