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c/insurancefights·posted 10 months ago by u/prior_auth_pain

three years of copay threads, summarised so you do not have to read them

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three years of copay threads, summarised so you do not have to read them. I have gone back and forth on this for months.

Internal appeals are decided by the plan. External review is decided by an independent body and, where it applies, its determination is binding. They are separate mechanisms and the second is chronically underused.

A denial letter is required to state a reason and to reference the criterion applied. That reference is the handle: request the clinical policy document by its identifier and answer it point by point.

Step therapy requires documented trial of preferred alternatives. It is not an argument to be won on merits; it is a record to be produced, and the record is what the appeal must contain.

Tell me where this is wrong. That is the useful part of posting it.

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u/milan_wikstrom118 points·10 months ago

Prior authorisation criteria are republished each plan year. A criterion that blocked you in one year may not exist in the next, so a denial is worth retesting after the turnover.

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u/plain_titration_202467 points·10 months ago

the diagnosis code on the claim is doing more work than anything you write

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u/kaia_cabrera56 points·10 months ago

Same view. The second-level appeal is where mine turned, after a first-level denial that looked final.

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u/line_bergstrom0 points·10 months ago

Same view.

Disagreeing with this line: the deadline runs from the letter date and treating it otherwise is expensive.

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u/sanne_novak54 points·10 months ago·edited

Careful — the deadline runs from the date on the letter. Waiting for a call back can cost you the appeal entirely.

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u/marta_vanhecke18 points·10 months ago

Which country and which plan year are we talking about?

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u/hugo_pires9 points·10 months ago

appeal in writing even when they say a call is enough

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u/prior_auth_painOPappeals5 points·10 months ago

Peer-to-peer took fifteen minutes and resolved something a written appeal had been sitting on for a month.

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u/solene_eriksen-1 point·10 months ago

Cosigning on external review. It is a real mechanism, it is underused, and the deadlines are strict.

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u/hassan_castellanos1 point·10 months ago

Disagree with the tone strategy. Anger has never moved a determination; matching the criterion has.

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u/karim_restrepo34 points·10 months ago

Agreed. The denial letter tells you which criterion failed, and answering that specific criterion is the entire job.

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u/maren_sorensen12 points·10 months ago

Right, and keeping every date and reference number turns a frustrating process into an auditable one.

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u/neha_rahimi7 points·10 months ago

Right, and keeping every date and reference number turns a frustrating process into an auditable one.

This is the whole method. Answer the criterion they named, not the decision in general.

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u/liv_vukovic3 points·10 months ago

Missed a deadline because I counted from when I opened the envelope. That mistake cost me an entire cycle.

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u/gustav_vermeulen27 points·10 months ago

keep every date, every reference number, every name of a department

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u/ismael_nwosu16 points·10 months ago

keep every date, every reference number, every name of a department

gustav_vermeulen is right that this is documentation rather than persuasion. It took me a year to accept that.

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u/kasper_cabrera13 points·10 months ago

New plan year, entirely new criteria, and the denial that had been immovable in the autumn simply did not apply in January.

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u/hugo_pires11 points·10 months ago

That advice is jurisdiction-specific and this board spans several. Say where you are.

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