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c/coldchain·submitted 2 years ago by u/meera_sandvik

someone explain ice pack to me like I have not read a paper in years

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The title is the whole question — someone explain ice pack to me like I have not read a paper in years — but here is why I am asking. Asked SGN which lines they hold regionally and got a straight list back. That answered my summer ordering question completely. Kept a vial at room temperature for eleven days by…

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch28141 points·2 years ago

What actually matters, in order, because these threads always start at the wrong end.

State first: dry powder is comparatively robust, reconstituted solution is not. Most of the anxiety here is about powder and most of the real risk is about solution.

Then evidence: a warm gel pack is evidence about the pack. A logger is evidence about the box. Only a test is evidence about the material. People routinely reason from the first to the third and it does not follow.

Then prevention, which is dull and effective: shorter lanes where regional stock exists, rigid packaging, the middle of the fridge rather than the door, and the reconstitution date written on the glass.

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u/coa_collectorarchivist107 points·2 years ago

On loggers, since I was sceptical and then bought one.

A small transit logger costs a fraction of a vial and records the whole journey rather than the moment of arrival. What I learned from three of them: my lane is far more stable than I assumed, the one excursion I did capture was on a weekend, and the arrival-temperature guessing I had been doing was worthless.

If you are going to argue about cold chain, argue from a chart. It is a one-off purchase and it ends the speculation permanently.

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u/elodie_kuipers122 points·2 years ago

On loggers, since I was sceptical and then bought one.

Agreed, and a logger costs less than the vial you are worrying about.

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u/osman_eriksen97 points·2 years ago

transit temperature is a distribution, not a number

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u/ferran_laurent76 points·2 years ago

Agreed, and a logger costs less than the vial you are worrying about.

Disagreeing with this line only: freezing a reconstituted vial is not a safe default.

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u/asks_dumb_questions110 points·2 years ago

What actually matters, in order, because these threads always start at the wrong end.

Adding the practical version: ask which lines are held regionally before you order in July.

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