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[Discussion] can we stop arguing about ice pack until somebody posts a number

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can we stop arguing about ice pack until somebody posts a number. Searched first, found three threads that contradict each other, hence the post.

Put a logger in three consecutive orders. Two never went above the range at all and the third spent four hours warm on a Friday. Cost me almost nothing to stop wondering.

A transit temperature logger records a distribution, and time above a threshold matters as much as peak temperature. That is the argument for logging rather than guessing.

Regional stock changes the question rather than answering it: shorter lanes mean less exposure and fewer variables, which is why the warehouse question is worth asking before ordering in summer.

If two or three other people have done the same thing we might actually learn something. Alone it is an anecdote.

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u/bruno_dumitru89 points·1 year ago

Gel packs are designed for a duty cycle. A liquid pack at the end of a longer-than-expected transit is a pack behaving as specified, not evidence of an excursion in the vial.

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u/certified_referenceQC44 points·1 year ago

regional stock removes most of this problem entirely

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch28OP-10 points·1 year ago

Is this a line they hold in regional stock or is it shipping from origin?

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u/ines_lindqvist1 point·1 year ago

if you want to know, log it, otherwise you are guessing

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u/ice_pack_auditcold chain1 point·1 year ago

You cannot infer potency from a temperature record. The record tells you what happened to the box; only a test tells you what happened to the material.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch2840 points·1 year ago

I would not freeze it in solution. That is a different failure mode and a worse one.

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u/kian_ekstrom47 points·1 year ago

A stability statement is only meaningful with its conditions attached: temperature, duration, light exposure, and whether it covers powder or solution. Ask which.

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u/hplc_hobbyistruns their own column13 points·1 year ago

ask which lines are held in regional stock before you order in July

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u/sten_palacios21 points·1 year ago·edited

Once in solution, the relevant risks are hydrolysis, aggregation and, for some sequences, oxidation. Refrigeration slows all three; freezing a solution introduces a separate risk at the ice interface.

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u/bence_ibarra17 points·1 year ago

lyophilised powder is far more forgiving than the panic threads suggest

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u/usb_logger_ursulaMOD8 points·1 year ago

Left up and added to the lane table. Origin, destination and month were all included, which is all we ask.

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u/sequence_checkerresearch peptides11 points·1 year ago

Push back: you cannot infer degradation from a temperature excursion alone. That is what testing is for.

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u/chidi_yilmaz9 points·1 year ago

ask what storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/nadia_kjaer5 points·1 year ago

Gel pack fully liquid on arrival, powder tested 98.6% against a claimed 98.5% afterwards. The pack had done its job for as long as it was designed to.

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u/kenji_demir4 points·1 year ago

Not convinced. A warm pack on day six is expected behaviour from a pack designed for four.

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u/noor_cardoso4 points·1 year ago

That is a lane problem rather than a packaging problem, and the fixes are different.

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u/gustav_vermeulen7 points·1 year ago

a warm gel pack tells you the pack failed, not that the material did

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u/asks_dumb_questions4 points·1 year ago

a warm gel pack tells you the pack failed, not that the material did

This is the distinction that resolves most threads here — powder and solution are different problems.

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