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c/coa·posted 2 years ago by u/amylin_amy

[Meta] the purity rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining

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the purity rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining. Disagreement welcome, but bring a concrete alternative wording.

UV at 214nm sees the peptide bond and picks up almost everything; at 280nm you are looking at aromatics only. Which wavelength the number came from is part of the number.

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

That is everything I have. The rest is opinion and I have tried to keep it out.

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u/coa_collectorMOD109 points·2 years ago

Reminder: a question about a document is not an accusation about a supplier, and posts that blur the two get retitled.

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u/tuva_aalto36 points·2 years ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 280nm. It matters here because the impurity you are asking about barely absorbs at the longer wavelength.

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u/mikkel_correia49 points·2 years ago

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa-13 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning, and the document says so if you read the row label.

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u/purity_pedantanalytical1 point·2 years ago

Agreed on asking for the storage condition. It is one line and it changes how you read the entire stability claim.

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u/amylin_amyOPamylin1 point·2 years ago

Correcting myself upthread: I said the date was missing and it is on the second page, which I had not scrolled to.

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u/clara_danquah1 point·2 years ago

That is the catalogue certificate rather than the batch-specific one. Same layout, completely different status.

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u/chidi_demir43 points·2 years ago·edited

Sent one vial to Medutest and Janoshik. 99.6% and a claimed 99.0%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

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u/tomas_lehtinen63 points·2 years ago

post the whole document, not the headline number

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u/gastric_emptying_g44 points·2 years ago

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo. I thought that was normal. It is not, and now I know what to ask for.

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u/cormac_pereira25 points·2 years ago

Is water content on the document? It changes your concentration arithmetic.

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u/ignacio_silva20 points·2 years ago

Batch number and date of analysis, are both on there?

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u/isabela_nilsen6 points·2 years ago

Agreed — the itemised related substances table is the difference between a document and a receipt.

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u/ignacio_silva3 points·2 years ago

Agreed — the itemised related substances table is the difference between a document and a receipt.

Adding the bit that always gets missed: the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page, or none of this applies to your material.

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u/anya_moreau15 points·2 years ago

Careful — "the metadata looks odd" is a reason to ask a question, not a conclusion. Re-issues are ordinary.

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u/purity_pedantanalytical18 points·2 years ago

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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u/fatima_wojcik9 points·2 years ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

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u/aleksi_eriksen8 points·2 years ago·edited

Not quite. Two labs with different gradients can resolve a close-eluting impurity differently and both be reporting honestly.

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