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c/orforglipron·posted 14 days ago by u/freya_marchand

[Discussion] non-peptide agonism is a genuinely different engineering problem

Discussion Long Haul ×4

non-peptide agonism is a genuinely different engineering problem. I have gone back and forth on this for months.

Read both programme names carefully after mixing them up in a comment and being politely corrected.

Nothing containing this compound is approved by any regulator, and research-use-only material is not approved for human use.

Assumed the peptide purity conversations transferred and they do not. Different analytical problem entirely.

I will update this if the picture changes rather than quietly leaving it up.

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u/kenji_laurent-12 points·13 days ago

It is a non-peptide small-molecule agonist at the GLP-1 receptor. That is a substantial medicinal chemistry achievement: getting a small molecule to activate a receptor evolved for a peptide ligand.

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u/muscle_cramp_mo25 points·13 days ago

Oral semaglutide is a peptide co-formulated with an absorption enhancer and carries food and water timing requirements. A small molecule does not have that constraint, which is the practical distinction.

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u/hedda_ekstrom12 points·13 days ago

Push back: daily dosing is not automatically better adherence. It is a different failure mode, not a solved problem.

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u/hamza_weiss13 points·12 days ago

ATTAIN and ACHIEVE are the programmes to keep straight

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u/soren_yildiz3 points·12 days ago

Analytically this is a small-molecule identity and purity problem, not a peptide one. The methods, the impurity classes and the reference standards are all different.

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u/freya_marchandOP2 points·12 days ago

oral and non-peptide is the whole engineering story

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u/fabio_lehtinen1 point·12 days ago

The no-timing-restriction thing is the part I would care about most in practice, and it barely gets mentioned here.

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u/bruno_dumitru1 point·11 days ago

Small fix — the two programme names got swapped upthread and it changes which population the figure came from.

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u/search_before_post1 point·11 days ago

daily dosing, not weekly, so the exposure profile is different

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u/kenji_laurent1 point·12 days ago

oral and non-peptide is the whole engineering story

Agreed, and it is why the oral peptide comparison keeps misleading people.

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u/hazard_ratio_halstats1 point·11 days ago

Milligram-for-milligram comparison with an injectable peptide is not meaningful and I should not have made it.

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u/yara_boateng8 points·12 days ago·edited

Which programme and which readout are you quoting?

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u/jonas_cardoso6 points·12 days ago

Daily dosing gives a very different exposure profile from a weekly injectable: peaks and troughs within each day rather than a smoothed weekly curve.

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u/phase_two_peteMOD9 points·12 days ago

Corrected a cross-class dose comparison in the title. The body is untouched.

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u/neha_rahimi3 points·12 days ago

Right, and comparing milligrams between a small molecule and a peptide is meaningless in either direction.

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