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c/orforglipron·submitted 1 year ago by u/fasting_insulin_f

[Discussion] ATTAIN is doing more work than we give it credit for

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Something I keep coming back to: ATTAIN is doing more work than we give it credit for. Oral semaglutide is a peptide co-formulated with an absorption enhancer and carries food and water timing requirements. A small molecule does not have that constraint, which is the practical distinction. Analytically this is a…

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u/graph_it_gary27 points·1 year ago

Push back: daily dosing is not automatically better adherence. It is a different failure mode, not a solved problem.

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u/lukas_delgado6 points·1 year ago

Push back: daily dosing is not automatically better adherence.

Adding the standing caveat — unapproved, and research material is not for human use.

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u/zeynep_ndiaye8 points·1 year ago

nothing containing this is approved anywhere and research material is not for human use

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u/flair_enthusiast4 points·1 year ago

the tolerability profile reads broadly similar to the class

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u/yara_boateng3 points·1 year ago

Correction: that is the oral peptide product, which is a different thing entirely. This one is a small molecule.

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u/santiago_villalobos1 point·1 year ago

Careful — purity methods for peptides do not read across to a small molecule and the numbers are not equivalent.

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u/declared_value_dv5 points·1 year ago

the boards keep comparing it to injectables at matched doses, which is meaningless

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u/fasting_insulin_fOP3 points·1 year ago

Went looking for independent testing on this and found essentially nothing, which was clarifying.

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u/fabio_lehtinen1 point·1 year ago

nothing containing this is approved anywhere yet

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u/niels_norgaard1 point·1 year ago

small molecule, not a peptide, and that changes everything about it

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u/kenji_kimani1 point·1 year ago

What analytical method was used — this is not the usual peptide assay question?

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u/kenji_laurent4 points·1 year ago

Disagree. You are comparing doses across a small molecule and a peptide, which is not a comparison of anything.

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u/ayesha_erdogan-8 points·1 year ago

a non-peptide agonist does not degrade the way a peptide does

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