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c/insurancefights·posted 2 years ago by u/elin_varga

[Discussion] the copay advice in here is 2 years out of date

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the copay advice in here is 2 years out of date. Change my mind, genuinely — I have no stake in being right about this.

The numbers the title promised, since a headline without them is worthless: 2 years. Everything below is context for those.

Appeal deadlines run from the date on the determination letter. They are strict, they are short, and a missed deadline usually forfeits that level entirely.

Internal appeals are decided by the plan. External review is decided by an independent body and, where it applies, its determination is binding. They are separate mechanisms and the second is chronically underused.

That is everything I have. The rest is opinion and I have tried to keep it out.

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u/saskia_rahimi474 points·2 years ago

A peer-to-peer conversation puts the prescribing clinician in front of a reviewing clinician. It bypasses the correspondence cycle entirely and is often the fastest available route.

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u/adaeze_weiss386 points·2 years ago

Step therapy requires documented trial of preferred alternatives. It is not an argument to be won on merits; it is a record to be produced, and the record is what the appeal must contain.

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u/kian_ferreira145 points·2 years ago

Kept a log with every date, name of department and reference number. When they claimed no record of a call, I had the reference.

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u/osman_ferrari461 points·2 years ago

Careful — the deadline runs from the date on the letter. Waiting for a call back can cost you the appeal entirely.

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u/canada_coverage-12 points·2 years ago

External review was the thing that finally worked. I did not know it existed until a thread on this board.

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u/fabio_kuipers342 points·2 years ago

Employer-sponsored plans may be regulated differently from individually purchased ones, which changes both the appeal route and which regulator hears a complaint.

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u/saskia_rahimi232 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is a formulary exclusion, not a prior authorisation denial. Different form, different route, different deadline.

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u/slow_logbook_notes229 points·2 years ago

Is this a prior authorisation denial or a formulary exclusion?

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u/maren_sorensen126 points·2 years ago

Push back: your plan is an employer plan, which changes both the appeal path and who the regulator is.

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u/ismael_nwosu0 points·2 years ago

Small fix — external review is independent of the plan. The second-level internal appeal is not.

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u/appeal_letter_alMOD150 points·2 years ago

Member and policy numbers redacted from the screenshot above. Everything else left as posted.

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u/sofia_ferreira63 points·2 years ago

Disagree with the tone strategy. Anger has never moved a determination; matching the criterion has.

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u/janoshik_junkieindependent tester41 points·2 years ago

That advice is jurisdiction-specific and this board spans several. Say where you are.

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u/dose_diary_danalog keeper88 points·2 years ago

Prior authorisation criteria are republished each plan year. A criterion that blocked you in one year may not exist in the next, so a denial is worth retesting after the turnover.

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u/elin_vargaOP35 points·2 years ago

Spent six weeks arguing in general terms and got nowhere. Two paragraphs quoting their own criteria turned it around in eleven days.

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u/ismael_nwosu52 points·2 years ago

A denial letter is required to state a reason and to reference the criterion applied. That reference is the handle: request the clinical policy document by its identifier and answer it point by point.

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u/valeria_grimaldi23 points·2 years ago

Agreed on the plan-year point. Criteria that applied last year may simply not apply now.

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u/liv_vukovic15 points·2 years ago·edited

Agreed on the plan-year point.

Disagreeing with this line: the deadline runs from the letter date and treating it otherwise is expensive.

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u/marta_vanhecke3 points·2 years ago

Peer-to-peer took fifteen minutes and resolved something a written appeal had been sitting on for a month.

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u/hugo_pires4 points·2 years ago

Documented eighteen months of what had been tried in a one-page table. That table was the appeal.

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u/osman_ferrari41 points·2 years ago

Correcting myself upthread: the deadline was 10 days, not the figure I gave.

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u/ferran_batista21 points·2 years ago·edited

the denial letter names the criterion, start there

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u/elin_vargaOP8 points·2 years ago

Missed a deadline because I counted from when I opened the envelope. That mistake cost me an entire cycle.

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u/kian_ferreira4 points·2 years ago

Missed a deadline because I counted from when I opened the envelope.

elin_varga is right that this is documentation rather than persuasion. It took me a year to accept that.

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u/emeka_delgado48 points·2 years ago·edited

I would not skip the peer-to-peer. It is often the fastest route and it costs a phone call.

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