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c/coldchain·posted 23 days ago by u/analog_alphabet

[Explainer] excursion tables, and why "it got warm" is not a data point

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excursion tables, and why "it got warm" is not a data point. It comes up every few weeks and the answer has not changed.

Kept a vial at room temperature for eleven days by accident. Tested it out of guilt. It was fine.

Wrote the reconstitution date on the vial for the first time last year. Have never once since wondered how old a solution is.

Asked SGN which lines they hold regionally and got a straight list back. That answered my summer ordering question completely.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

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u/rohan_steiner15 points·22 days ago·edited

Once in solution, the relevant risks are hydrolysis, aggregation and, for some sequences, oxidation. Refrigeration slows all three; freezing a solution introduces a separate risk at the ice interface.

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u/priya_ogunleye9 points·22 days ago

Once in solution, the relevant risks are hydrolysis, aggregation and, for some sequences, oxidation.

Disagreeing with this line only: freezing a reconstituted vial is not a safe default.

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u/analog_alphabetOP6 points·22 days ago

Disagreeing with this line only: freezing a reconstituted vial is not a safe default.

Adding the practical version: ask which lines are held regionally before you order in July.

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u/bastian_ekstrom7 points·22 days ago

Push back: you cannot infer degradation from a temperature excursion alone. That is what testing is for.

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u/mod_cold_roomMOD8 points·21 days ago

Retitled: the original asserted degradation the post does not evidence.

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u/priya_guerrero3 points·21 days ago

Lyophilisation removes the water that drives most degradation pathways. That is why the dry cake is comparatively robust and the reconstituted solution is not.

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u/ewan_tulloch10 points·23 days ago

A stability statement is only meaningful with its conditions attached: temperature, duration, light exposure, and whether it covers powder or solution. Ask which.

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u/bence_ibarra6 points·22 days ago

Regional stock changes the question rather than answering it: shorter lanes mean less exposure and fewer variables, which is why the warehouse question is worth asking before ordering in summer.

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u/coldchain_karencold chain2 points·22 days ago

regional stock removes most of this problem entirely

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u/jarno_karlsen1 point·22 days ago

Ordered from the warehouse in Sweden instead of origin and the transit went from a fortnight to 10 days. Entirely different proposition in August.

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u/low_appetite_lisa1 point·22 days ago

You cannot infer potency from a temperature record. The record tells you what happened to the box; only a test tells you what happened to the material.

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u/emeka_beaulieu0 points·22 days ago

Where in the fridge is it sitting now?

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u/hugo_bergstrom1 point·21 days ago

Split an order across two months deliberately to compare summer and winter transit on the same lane. Four days difference, same carrier.

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u/cesar_teixeira5 points·21 days ago

Gel pack fully liquid on arrival, powder tested 99.4% against a claimed 99.0% afterwards. The pack had done its job for as long as it was designed to.

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