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c/coa·posted 1 year ago by u/nadia_fonseca

[Lab] split one vial across VendorInvestigate and PeptideMeter — 97.2% and 96.8%

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split one vial across VendorInvestigate and PeptideMeter — 97.2% and 96.8%. One vial, one service, one member paying, which is the only kind of result this board should treat as evidence.

Hard numbers: 97.2% and 96.8%. Anything softer than that is flagged as an impression.

Spent four months confusing area% and mass% in every post I made here. One explainer thread and it clicked permanently.

Sent one vial to VendorInvestigate and Janoshik. 97.8% and a claimed 97.0%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

If two or three other people have done the same thing we might actually learn something. Alone it is an anecdote.

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u/sofia_danquah441 points·1 year ago

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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u/nadia_fonsecaOP297 points·1 year ago

the related substances line is where the story is

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u/karma_irrelevant244 points·1 year ago

Not quite. Two labs with different gradients can resolve a close-eluting impurity differently and both be reporting honestly.

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u/blunt_coldbox29119 points·1 year ago

The four things a certificate must carry, and what each one is for.

Batch identifier ties the document to your vial; without it the document is about somebody else’s material. Date of analysis tells you when the number was true. Method — column, gradient, wavelength — is what makes the figure reproducible rather than asserted. Individual related substances give you the shape of what else is in there.

Everything beyond those four is welcome. Anything missing from them is a question to ask before you order, and in my experience the answer arrives quickly from the suppliers who have a batch record to draw it from.

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u/aleksi_eriksen-26 points·1 year ago

Are the related substances itemised or is it a single total?

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u/purity_pedantanalytical113 points·1 year ago

Not quite.

This is the sentence to take away. The rest of the thread is footnotes to it.

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u/wrong_network_w127 points·1 year ago

The document I was worried about turned out to be a re-issue with a later creation date. Asked, got the original, entirely ordinary.

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u/nadia_fonsecaOP0 points·1 year ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 280nm. It matters here because the impurity you are asking about barely absorbs at the longer wavelength.

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u/zaid_balogun0 points·1 year ago

Not quite.

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table. If it exists, you get it.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_pls1 point·1 year ago

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table.

Disagree on this specific point. Two honest labs can resolve that impurity differently and report different numbers.

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u/isabela_nilsen1 point·1 year ago

a certificate with no method line is decorative

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u/cormac_pereira133 points·1 year ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa39 points·1 year ago

This. Area percent answers "what fraction of what the detector saw was the peak I wanted", and people read it as "how much peptide is in the vial".

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u/clara_restrepo4 points·1 year ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

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u/nadia_fonsecaOP11 points·1 year ago

redact your own name, never the batch details

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u/blunt_coldbox299 points·1 year ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/purity_pedantanalytical7 points·1 year ago

Is water content on the document? It changes your concentration arithmetic.

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u/amylin_amyamylin138 points·1 year ago

area% is not mass%, and the difference is the whole game

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u/gallbladder_gary0 points·1 year ago

That is not what the method line says. It names the technique; it does not certify the operator.

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u/india_generic_g1 point·1 year ago

post the whole document, not the headline number

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