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c/trialwatch·submitted 1 year ago by u/yannick_salinas

reading SURMOUNT threads from 2024 and half of it aged badly

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reading SURMOUNT threads from 2024 and half of it aged badly. Making the case below, and I expect to lose some of it in the comments. Quoted a figure here confidently, got asked whether it was ITT, went and checked, and it was not. Learned something. Spent an evening with the appendix tables and found the subgroup…

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u/first_hundred649 points·1 year ago

How to read one of these papers in fifteen minutes, in the order that actually helps.

Start with the registered protocol and check the primary endpoint against what is reported. Then the methods: who was included, what the comparator was, how long the randomised phase ran. Then the discontinuation numbers, which are a tolerability result and are usually in a supplementary table.

Only then the efficacy figure, and read the interval rather than the point estimate. Finish with the limitations section, which is where the authors say what they actually think.

Fifteen minutes, and you will know more than any thread summarising it.

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u/hugo_bergstrom-23 points·1 year ago

Not convinced. Cross-trial comparison between two programmes with different populations and designs is not a comparison.

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u/laila_almeida1 point·1 year ago·edited

Agreed on comparators. "Superior" means nothing until you know superior to what and at what dose.

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u/yannick_salinasOP1 point·1 year ago

open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase

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u/cloudy_vial_carol1 point·1 year ago

The registered protocol is public. Comparing the registered primary endpoint with the reported one is a two-minute check and it is how outcome switching gets caught.

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u/enzo_ferrari490 points·1 year ago

Started keeping the trial identifiers straight in a note file because I kept mixing up two programmes in the same sentence.

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u/milan_mensah315 points·1 year ago

The press release said that; the publication says something more hedged. Worth reading both.

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