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c/orforglipron·posted 9 months ago by u/farid_kuipers

non-peptide: what the trials say vs what this community says

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Something I keep coming back to: non-peptide: what the trials say vs what this community says.

Holding off on any opinion until phase 3 reports. That is not a satisfying position and it is the honest one.

The analytical point, which this board keeps getting wrong by importing habits from the peptide side.

For a peptide, purity is typically reported as area percent by HPLC with identity by mass spectrometry, and the impurity classes are things like deletion and oxidation products. For a small molecule the relevant impurities are synthetic intermediates, degradants and residual solvents, and identity is established differently.

So the certificate you would want looks different, the questions to ask are different, and a "purity" figure quoted here is not comparable to one quoted on the peptide boards. Anybody posting a result should say what method produced it, which is good practice everywhere and essential here.

What is actually known, and what is being assumed.

Known: it is a small-molecule GLP-1 receptor agonist, dosed daily, with clinical programmes reporting in both obesity and type 2 diabetes. Its tolerability profile broadly resembles the class in the data published so far.

Assumed, frequently and confidently: that milligram comparisons with injectables mean something, that adherence is straightforwardly better because it is a tablet, that peptide purity discussions transfer to it. None of those hold. And nothing containing this compound is approved anywhere, which makes research-use-only material exactly that — not approved for human use.

Not medical advice, obviously, and nothing here is approved for human use. One person with a spreadsheet.

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u/the_poster_in_question_202623 points·9 months ago·edited

Milligram comparisons across molecule classes are meaningless. Potency is a property of the molecule at its receptor, not of the number on the label.

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u/batch_number_bertievetting6 points·9 months ago·edited

Assumed the peptide purity conversations transferred and they do not. Different analytical problem entirely.

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u/ines_lindqvist6 points·9 months ago

I would not assume the tolerability profile transfers exactly. Similar class effects, different exposure profile.

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u/batch_number_bertievetting4 points·9 months ago

do not assume reconstitution intuitions apply, there is nothing to reconstitute

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u/farid_kuipersOP1 point·9 months ago

Correction: that is the oral peptide product, which is a different thing entirely. This one is a small molecule.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch281 point·9 months ago·edited

Agreed that phase 3 is where the comparison becomes fair. Everything before it is inference.

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u/preservative_free_p13 points·9 months ago

It is a non-peptide small-molecule agonist at the GLP-1 receptor. That is a substantial medicinal chemistry achievement: getting a small molecule to activate a receptor evolved for a peptide ligand.

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u/muscle_cramp_mo6 points·9 months ago

Cosigning on daily dosing. It changes the exposure profile and it changes adherence, in both directions.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch283 points·9 months ago

daily dosing, not weekly, so the exposure profile is different

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u/the_poster_in_question_20264 points·9 months ago·edited

Spent an evening reading about small-molecule agonism at a peptide receptor. Genuinely interesting engineering.

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u/deleted_my_history7 points·9 months ago

Yes. Oral peptide with an absorption enhancer and oral small molecule are completely different propositions.

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u/brigade_detector8 points·9 months ago

ATTAIN and ACHIEVE are the programmes to keep straight

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u/hazard_ratio_halstats6 points·9 months ago

Agreed — non-peptide is the fact that everything else follows from, including the manufacturing and the analytics.

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u/greta_nilsen-6 points·9 months ago

The no-timing-restriction thing is the part I would care about most in practice, and it barely gets mentioned here.

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u/aksel_kjaer1 point·9 months ago

nothing containing this is approved anywhere and research material is not for human use

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u/phase_two_pete1 point·9 months ago

Is that from the publication or the press release?

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u/hedda_ekstrom6 points·9 months ago

Yes — nothing containing this is approved anywhere, and the threads keep forgetting it.

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