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c/labresults·posted 1 year ago by u/usp_appendix

[Lab] TFC BPC — Janoshik came back 98.3% against a claimed 98.0%

Lab Well Actually ×6 Clean Column ×1 Cold Box ×1

The claim in the title is exactly the claim I am making: TFC BPC — Janoshik came back 98.3% against a claimed 98.0%. Nothing implied beyond it.

Since the title puts numbers in the shop window: 98.3% and 98.0%.

Area percent and net peptide content are different measurements and most reports give one. Quote which, or the comparison downstream is meaningless.

A series across separate lots estimates a process. Repeat tests on one lot estimate the measurement. Both are useful and they answer different questions.

Would rather be corrected in public than confident in private.

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u/kenji_demir419 points·1 year ago·edited

Chain of custody is why member-funded testing is worth more than a supplied certificate: the vial tested is the vial that arrived at a member’s door.

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u/tomas_lundgren193 points·1 year ago

Disagree that this is a discrepancy. 99.0% against a claimed 98.5% is inside ordinary inter-lab variance in either direction.

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u/due_diligence_dee247 points·1 year ago

Not convinced by the comparison. Different services, different gradients, and you are treating one as ground truth.

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u/coa_janitorMOD155 points·1 year ago

Nudging rather than removing: the standard template is in the sidebar and this post is missing the batch field.

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u/lina_almeida127 points·1 year ago

Yes. Two services on the same batch is the strongest thing an individual member can produce, and it is not expensive.

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u/enzo_fonseca95 points·1 year ago

one result is a data point, agreement between two services is evidence

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u/asks_dumb_questions0 points·1 year ago

one result is a data point, agreement between two services is evidence

Agreed — and two services on one batch is the strongest thing any of us can produce individually.

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u/aussie_pbs_watchAU-31 points·1 year ago

How to build a series that means something, if you are going to spend money on testing anyway.

Three tests on one lot tells you about your measurement. Three tests on three lots, spread over a year, tells you about a process. The second is the one worth paying for and it costs the same.

Buy small, keep the batch numbers, send one vial per lot, and post each one with the claim next to it. After four or five you have something no individual review can give you: a band, a direction and a date range. That is what the source pages are made of.

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa1 point·1 year ago

net peptide content if the report gives it, and say which you are quoting

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u/refund_ledger51 points·1 year ago

How many separate lots does your series cover?

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u/scam_taxonomyc/scamalerts95 points·1 year ago

That reading assumes area percent and net peptide content are the same number. They are not, and the report says which it is.

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[deleted]44 points·1 year ago

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u/anders_vermeulen64 points·1 year ago

Correction: that is the claimed figure, and the measured one is the higher of the two in your own screenshot.

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u/kian_verhoeven17 points·1 year ago

inter-lab variance runs a point or two, plan your outrage accordingly

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u/anders_karlsen4 points·1 year ago

if you are going to test, test the thing you actually received

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u/kavya_radich2 points·1 year ago·edited

Small fix — same supplier, different lot. The two rows in the log are not the same batch.

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u/priya_weiss0 points·1 year ago

Do you have the trace, or only the summary?

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u/meera_sandvik1 point·1 year ago

Did the vial lot match the paperwork lot?

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u/edit_for_clarity40 points·1 year ago

Correction: that is the claimed figure, and the measured one is the higher of the two in your own screenshot.

Disagreeing with this line: that gap is ordinary variance, not a contradiction between the lab and the certificate.

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u/britta_boateng0 points·1 year ago

Date of analysis anchors the result to a manufacturing period. A two-year-old result is evidence about two years ago and should be read that way.

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u/rina_bergstrom1 point·1 year ago

post the claim next to the result or the number floats

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u/usp_appendixOPcompendial1 point·1 year ago

say whether you paid for it yourself

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u/emil_marchand1 point·1 year ago

This. The trend across separate lots is the number that tells you about a process rather than a vial.

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u/mariam_cabrera1 point·1 year ago

Which service, and did you pay for it yourself?

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u/joaquin_trevino1 point·1 year ago

vendor, compound, batch, service, result — that is the template

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u/priya_ogunleye0 points·1 year ago

Inter-lab variance on this assay runs roughly a point either way, driven mostly by gradient and integration. Two results inside that band agree; they do not disagree quietly.

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u/usp_appendixOPcompendial1 point·1 year ago

Is that the same lot as the one in the thread from last month?

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u/tomas_lundgren1 point·1 year ago

If the report gives a mass spectrum as well as UV purity, say so. Identity and relative quantity are separate claims and the log tracks both.

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u/janoshik_junkieindependent tester1 point·1 year ago

Careful with the trend claim. Four results over two years is a very sparse series to draw a line through.

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u/lukas_vermeulen0 points·1 year ago

I would not post that as a finding. It is a single result and the template asks you to say so.

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