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c/hplc·posted 1 year ago by u/ewan_zielinski

[Question] chromatogram — what am I missing here

Question Cold Box ×7 Clean Column ×2

Question in the title, detail here: chromatogram — what am I missing here.

Area percent is the integrated area of your peak over the total integrated area at one wavelength on one gradient. Change any of those and the number changes without the sample changing.

System suitability — repeat injections, tailing factor, plate count, RSD on area — is what tells you the instrument was fit for the measurement that day. Without it, the purity figure is unanchored.

UV response is not uniform across species. At 214nm you are looking at the peptide bond, which is why it is the working wavelength for this class; at 280nm you only see tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine.

Not medical advice, obviously, and nothing here is approved for human use. One person with a spreadsheet.

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u/ignacio_vanhecke138 points·1 year ago

Mass spectrometry answers identity. UV purity answers relative quantity under the run conditions. A document with one and not the other is answering half the question, and the half it answers should be stated.

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u/nora_lundgren68 points·1 year ago

Carryover from a previous high-concentration injection looks exactly like a small impurity. The blank injection is four minutes and it removes the ambiguity entirely.

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u/medutest_mel0 points·1 year ago

Carryover from a previous high-concentration injection looks exactly like a small impurity.

nora_lundgren is right — the integration choice is a decision and it should be stated alongside the result.

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u/hamza_weiss1 point·1 year ago

Cosigning the wavelength point. Half the disagreements in this board are two people looking at different detectors.

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u/anya_erdogan23 points·1 year ago

Careful — you are treating retention time as identity. Two things can co-elute and the trace will not tell you.

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u/ewan_zielinski38 points·1 year ago

Mass spectrometry answers identity.

Adding one practical thing — run the blank. It answers this before anyone has to argue about it.

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u/andres_restrepo32 points·1 year ago

Ran a blank after a high-concentration injection and found the carryover I had been calling an impurity.

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u/sig_figs_samMOD92 points·1 year ago

Left up. The integration disagreement in this thread is the most useful thing on the board this week.

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u/ewan_marchand22 points·1 year ago

Gave the same trace to two people I trust and got two integrations about a point apart. That was the most educational afternoon I have had here.

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u/ewan_zielinskiOP11 points·1 year ago

Chased a ghost peak for three weeks. It was the plumbing. It is always the plumbing.

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u/yara_boateng56 points·1 year ago

Disagree. Inter-lab spread of a point or two on this assay is ordinary and calling it a discrepancy misleads people.

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u/enzo_petrescu-33 points·1 year ago

That figure cannot be quoted to two decimals off that baseline. The precision is not in the data.

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u/fatima_yildiz-41 points·1 year ago

214nm sees the peptide bond, 280nm sees the aromatics

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u/ewan_zielinskiOP20 points·1 year ago

ghost peak, check the plumbing first, it is always the plumbing

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u/lina_novak40 points·1 year ago

How old is the column and roughly how many injections has it seen?

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u/clara_danquah0 points·1 year ago

Bought a second-hand instrument and learned more in six months of fixing it than in three years of reading traces.

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u/priya_ogunleye0 points·1 year ago

retention time alone is not identity

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u/week_four_wall25 points·1 year ago

That is area percent, not mass percent. The trace cannot give you the second one.

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u/adaeze_batista22 points·1 year ago

Do you have the mass, or only the UV trace?

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u/marit_mensa16 points·1 year ago

Push back: a longer run is not automatically better resolution. You are trading peak width for time and the ratio is what matters.

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u/hamza_weiss14 points·1 year ago

I would not blame the sample yet. Everything you have described is consistent with the column rather than the vial.

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u/week_four_wall0 points·1 year ago

Started reporting my own integrations with the baseline choice stated. Arguments in my threads dropped by about half.

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u/first_hundred1 point·1 year ago·edited

Agreed, and it is why KP printing the column and gradient on the certificate is genuinely useful rather than decorative.

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u/medutest_mel1 point·1 year ago

a blank injection between samples costs four minutes and settles most arguments

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u/valeria_cardoso1 point·1 year ago

baseline choice is a decision, not a measurement

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u/zeynep_zielinski9 points·1 year ago

This. A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve is a question, not a quantity.

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u/amara_haddad3 points·1 year ago

area percent is relative to what the detector saw and nothing else

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u/enzo_petrescu3 points·1 year ago

axis labels or the trace is decoration

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u/hugo_bergstrom5 points·1 year ago

What wavelength, and what was the gradient?

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