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c/glp1aus·posted 2 years ago by u/chidi_abubakar

[PSA] New Zealand is not what most of this community thinks it is

Question Well Actually ×4

New Zealand is not what most of this community thinks it is, and I say this having got it wrong myself for long enough to be annoyed about it.

Subsidy criteria and authority requirements are published. For eligibility questions those documents are authoritative and this board is not.

Personal importation provisions exist, are narrow, and carry conditions. Any summary of them here should be checked against the current official wording rather than a forum post.

Pharmacy-level availability and national supply are different questions: a pharmacy can be out while the wholesaler is not, and the pharmacist can check in minutes.

Not medical advice, obviously, and nothing here is approved for human use. One person with a spreadsheet.

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u/devils_advocate_d139 points·2 years ago

The national shortage database is a primary source with expected resolution dates attached. It is public, searchable, and consistently more accurate than reporting about it.

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u/chidi_abubakarOP97 points·2 years ago

What did the pharmacy quote for the private price?

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u/ffmi_watcher111 points·2 years ago

the shortage listing has an expected resolution date on it

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u/lane_watchermod · logistics144 points·2 years ago

Small fix — that is the New Zealand arrangement, and the question is about Australia.

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u/camila_sandvik28 points·2 years ago

Disagree — that is registration status, and the question was about subsidy. Different decisions, different bodies.

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u/week_one_wanda83 points·2 years ago

Agreed that the published criteria are the authority. They are searchable and most people never look.

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u/marta_ilunga48 points·2 years ago

Australia and New Zealand have different regulators, different funding bodies and different arrangements. An answer for one is not evidence about the other.

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u/rafael_ostergaard12 points·2 years ago·edited

say which state only if it matters, but always say which country

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u/noor_hovland33 points·2 years ago

Which indication is the script written for?

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u/liv_nkemelu-16 points·2 years ago

pharmacy stock and national supply are different questions

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u/valeria_girard1 point·2 years ago

Correction: that is the registration decision, not the subsidy listing. They are made by different bodies.

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u/arne_amankwah0 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is the registration decision, not the subsidy listing.

This is the distinction that makes the rest of the board legible.

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u/freya_baptista40 points·2 years ago

the TGA shortage database is public and it is the source, not the news

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u/phase_two_pete59 points·2 years ago

do not import US advice into an Australian thread

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u/tarek_lokken47 points·2 years ago

the TGA shortage database is public and it is the source, not the news

Disagreeing with this bit: that advice predates the change in compounded arrangements.

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u/fridge_door_no40 points·2 years ago

The two decisions that this whole board turns on, kept apart.

Registration means a product may lawfully be supplied. Subsidy listing means the public system will fund it, for a defined indication, against published criteria. They are made by different bodies on different timetables, and a product can be registered and unsubsidised for a given use for a long time.

Almost every "why can I not get this" thread here is really a question about the second decision being answered with facts about the first. Say which one you are asking about and the thread resolves in two replies.

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u/lane_watcherMOD30 points·2 years ago

Flagged as describing the superseded compounded arrangements — left up with a note rather than removed.

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u/arne_ndiaye12 points·2 years ago

Same. Private pricing varies here as much as anywhere and people assume it is fixed.

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u/chidi_abubakarOP14 points·2 years ago

Are you quoting advice from before the compounded arrangements changed?

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u/chidi_abubakarOP5 points·2 years ago

Rang three pharmacies for a private price and got three different numbers, all in the same city.

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u/hedda_adeyemi15 points·2 years ago

I would not treat one pharmacy’s quote as the national price. Variation between them is substantial.

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u/jarno_adeyemi12 points·2 years ago

Careful, personal importation provisions are narrow and specific and the general version circulating here is wrong.

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u/arne_amankwah5 points·2 years ago

personal importation rules exist and are narrow

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u/sarcopenia_watch4 points·2 years ago

Have you checked the shortage database directly?

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u/kenji_kimani2 points·2 years ago

Cosigning on asking the pharmacy to check the wholesaler. It converts speculation into a fact in one phone call.

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