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c/coldchain·posted 1 year ago by u/nadia_kjaer

lyophilised — 8 things I got wrong before I got it right

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lyophilised — 8 things I got wrong before I got it right — a position I have arrived at slowly and would like tested.

On loggers, since I was sceptical and then bought one.

A small transit logger costs a fraction of a vial and records the whole journey rather than the moment of arrival. What I learned from three of them: my lane is far more stable than I assumed, the one excursion I did capture was on a weekend, and the arrival-temperature guessing I had been doing was worthless.

If you are going to argue about cold chain, argue from a chart. It is a one-off purchase and it ends the speculation permanently.

Once in solution, the relevant risks are hydrolysis, aggregation and, for some sequences, oxidation. Refrigeration slows all three; freezing a solution introduces a separate risk at the ice interface.

Lyophilisation removes the water that drives most degradation pathways. That is why the dry cake is comparatively robust and the reconstituted solution is not.

Ask me anything specific. Anything general I will probably get wrong.

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u/anjali_tamm5 points·1 year ago

You cannot infer potency from a temperature record. The record tells you what happened to the box; only a test tells you what happened to the material.

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u/nadia_kjaerOP6 points·1 year ago·edited

Wrote the reconstitution date on the vial for the first time last year. Have never once since wondered how old a solution is.

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u/sterile_field_steph3 points·1 year ago

Same. Door shelf is the worst place in the fridge and it is where everybody puts them.

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u/nadia_kjaerOP4 points·1 year ago

lyophilised powder is far more forgiving than the panic threads suggest

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u/jarno_adeyemi3 points·1 year ago

Gel packs are designed for a duty cycle. A liquid pack at the end of a longer-than-expected transit is a pack behaving as specified, not evidence of an excursion in the vial.

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u/ice_pack_auditMOD5 points·1 year ago

Merged into the seasonal thread for that lane so the reports sit together.

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u/careful_gradient_again1 point·1 year ago

Gel pack fully liquid on arrival, powder tested 98.7% against a claimed 98.5% afterwards. The pack had done its job for as long as it was designed to.

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u/anya_rautio1 point·1 year ago

This. A liquid gel pack on arrival tells you about the pack’s duty cycle, not about the vial.

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u/curious_panel_only1 point·1 year ago

Do you know what storage condition the stability statement covers?

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u/emeka_delgado3 points·1 year ago

Put a logger in three consecutive orders. Two never went above the range at all and the third spent four hours warm on a Friday. Cost me almost nothing to stop wondering.

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u/nadia_kjaerOP2 points·1 year ago·edited

Put a logger in three consecutive orders.

This is the distinction that resolves most threads here — powder and solution are different problems.

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u/nayeli_iyer1 point·1 year ago

Ordered from the warehouse in Germany instead of origin and the transit went from a fortnight to 13 days. Entirely different proposition in August.

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u/osman_brandt1 point·1 year ago

Cosigning the regional stock point. Ordering from a warehouse in Canada took the whole question off my table.

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