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c/bpc157·posted 2 years ago by u/mod_cold_room

BPC-157 — 8 things I got wrong before I got it right

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BPC-157 — 8 things I got wrong before I got it right. It is the sort of thing everyone half-believes and nobody writes down.

Every claim I could trace in this board went back to about four papers. That was a sobering afternoon.

Bought small, tested identity first, and only then thought about anything else. That order felt right.

Why identity, not purity, is the test to buy here.

This is a short peptide with a published sequence. Synthesis is not difficult, which means the market is wide and the analytical question shifts. A high area-percent figure tells you the sample is homogeneous; it does not tell you the homogeneous material is the sequence you ordered.

Mass spectrometry, with the theoretical mass alongside the measured one, converts a purity claim into an identity claim. It costs a little more and it answers the question that actually matters. Ask for it, and ask suppliers whether they can provide it before you order — the answers are informative in themselves.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

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u/bruno_dumitru133 points·2 years ago

Purity by area percent tells you the sample is homogeneous. Mass spectrometry tells you what the homogeneous thing is. For a short peptide, the second question is the one worth paying for.

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u/ahmed_okafor107 points·2 years ago

Short peptides in solution are subject to hydrolysis and, depending on sequence, oxidation. Storage state and time in solution are practical variables that this board almost never discusses.

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u/mod_cold_roomOPmod · c/coldchain59 points·2 years ago

Small fix — fifteen residues, not seventeen. The sequence is public and easy to check.

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u/mod_cold_roomOPmod · c/coldchain56 points·2 years ago·edited

Paid for identity confirmation rather than just purity for the first time here. Worth it, and it is not the default on most certificates.

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u/mod_cold_roomOPmod · c/coldchain65 points·2 years ago

What jurisdiction are you asking about? The answer has changed in several.

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u/slow_logbook_ftw138 points·2 years ago

What method produced that purity number?

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u/signe_villalobos64 points·2 years ago

stability in solution is the practical question nobody asks

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u/ayesha_erdogan41 points·2 years ago

no clinical trial has established what these threads assert

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[removed]63 points·2 years ago

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u/ismael_chukwu19 points·2 years ago

Yes. Nothing here is approved for human use and that should be the first line of every thread, not the last.

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u/kavya_verhoeven21 points·2 years ago

preclinical enthusiasm is not clinical evidence

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u/clara_danquah82 points·2 years ago

Not convinced. A high purity figure with no identity confirmation tells you the sample is homogeneous, not that it is what you ordered.

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u/neha_rahimi23 points·2 years ago

Same. Solution stability is the practical question and almost nobody asks it.

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u/gas_fee_grump43 points·2 years ago

The published literature is overwhelmingly preclinical, largely in rodent models. Translating a rodent result into a human expectation is not a small step, and almost every confident claim here takes it silently.

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u/bpc_scepticMOD31 points·2 years ago

Citation requested rather than removal. A claim here should say whether its source is preclinical.

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u/nadia_nascimento43 points·2 years ago

identity, quantity, stability — three separate questions

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u/nadia_nascimento25 points·2 years ago

Kept a reconstituted vial too long out of curiosity and learned something about solution stability I would rather have read.

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u/ahmed_okafor16 points·2 years ago

research-use-only means not approved for human use, and here that covers everything

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u/pavel_kimani12 points·2 years ago

Right, and regulatory status has genuinely moved in several jurisdictions. Answers from three years ago may be wrong now.

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u/milos_mensa5 points·2 years ago

the tendon claims are the most repeated and the least evidenced

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u/throwaway_91821 point·2 years ago

Went and read the primary rodent papers after arguing about a summary for a week. They are much narrower than the threads suggest.

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u/anders_vermeulen5 points·2 years ago

That is a purity figure, not an identity confirmation. Two different tests and only one answers the question asked.

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u/ismael_chukwu23 points·2 years ago

Regulatory classification differs between jurisdictions and has changed in several of them recently. Any answer to a status question needs a place and a date attached.

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u/sofia_ferreira8 points·2 years ago

pentadecapeptide, fifteen residues, and the sequence is public

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u/taper_off_tabitha4 points·2 years ago

This. Mass spectrometry for identity, not just an area percent, because a pure something-else is still something else.

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u/piotr_grimaldi6 points·2 years ago

Asked QYB for the theoretical mass alongside the certificate and they sent it without asking why.

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u/marit_sandvik2 points·2 years ago

Correction: that study was in rodents. Worth stating explicitly since the thread has been reading it as clinical.

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u/vikram_mbeki7 points·2 years ago

That claim traces back to a single preclinical paper that says something considerably narrower.

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u/enzo_fonseca20 points·2 years ago

Sent a vial to Medutest: 97.6% against a claimed 97.5%, with the mass confirming the sequence. Both halves mattered to me.

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u/neha_rahimi10 points·2 years ago

Agreed — cheap to make is a double-edged fact and it explains a lot about this corner of the market.

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