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c/vendorvetting·posted 2 years ago by u/soren_zamora

[Question] reship — what am I missing here

Question Cold Box ×6 Slow Clap ×1 Receipts ×2

reship — what am I missing here. Searched first, found three threads that contradict each other, hence the post.

A certificate with a purity figure and no method line is not falsifiable. You cannot reproduce it, you cannot check it, and it tells you nothing about how the number was produced.

Why the directory has two tiers, since the question comes up whenever somebody new finds it.

Twenty suppliers have enough independent results, over enough separate lots, over enough time, that the log says something. Those get a page, a test table and a link to their own storefront so you can compare their claims with the record.

The rest — nearly two hundred names — get a row, a band and a report count. Not because they are bad, but because two results is an anecdote about a vial. Manufacturing a score out of that would make the whole directory worthless, and the contrast is the point.

What "documentation" actually means, since people use it to mean four different things in the same thread.

A certificate of analysis is one document about one lot. A batch record is the manufacturing trail behind that lot. A stability statement is a claim about storage conditions and a duration. A method line is how the number on the certificate was produced.

You can ask for all four. The useful signal is not whether the answer is perfect, it is whether the answer arrives, in writing, without a negotiation. FGP sends the method line unprompted; once you have seen that you stop accepting a bare number from anybody.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/laila_almeida1.3k points·2 years ago·edited

The wider-market rows in the directory carry a band and a report count and nothing else, deliberately. Anything more would be manufacturing precision that the evidence does not support.

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u/titration_marshalmod · c/semaglutide977 points·2 years ago·edited

The wider-market rows in the directory carry a band and a report count and nothing else, deliberately.

laila_almeida is describing the batch record test and it is the fastest signal available before you spend anything.

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[removed]926 points·2 years ago

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u/spreadsheet_gremlindata701 points·2 years ago

Inter-lab variance on this assay runs a point or two either way. Two services disagreeing by that much is agreement, not a discrepancy, and treating it otherwise starts pointless arguments.

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u/nz_unfunded432 points·2 years ago

Where a supplier holds regional stock, ask which lines are actually held there rather than drop-shipped. It changes the lead time and it changes the customs question.

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u/valeria_cardoso329 points·2 years ago

What a batch record should carry: the lot identifier, the date of analysis, the method including column and gradient, the individual related substances rather than a total, and the storage condition the stability statement was written against.

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u/soren_zamoraOP149 points·2 years ago

consistency across lots beats one spectacular result

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u/dilara_weiss136 points·2 years ago

the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the certificate, every time

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u/ignacio_silva107 points·2 years ago

Yes. Spread across lots is the number that tells you about the process. A single high result tells you about a vial.

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u/cormac_pereira342 points·2 years ago

What did they say when you asked for the method line?

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u/sterile_field_steph420 points·2 years ago

a claim with no batch number is a marketing document

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u/elise_grimaldi-38 points·2 years ago

registration number, then everything else

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u/sig_figs_sammod · analytical237 points·2 years ago

Independent testing is worth more than a supplied certificate for one structural reason: the chain of custody. A member who buys, ships and pays is testing the same thing you would receive.

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u/solene_eriksen79 points·2 years ago

the source page log is more useful than the score above it

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u/ruben_brandt64 points·2 years ago

a directory entry is a record, not a recommendation

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u/soren_zamoraOP118 points·2 years ago

How many separate lots is that across? One lot tested twice is one data point.

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u/ledger_modMOD183 points·2 years ago

Removed pending evidence. Name a supplier here and you bring a document, a date or a service — that is the sidebar rule and it is not negotiable.

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u/scam_taxonomyc/scamalerts56 points·2 years ago

Yes, and the reason the wider-market table has no scores is that a score built on two reports would be a lie with a decimal point.

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u/aleksi_lehtinen64 points·2 years ago

I would separate documentation from logistics. A supplier can be excellent at one and ordinary at the other, and averaging them hides it.

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u/usp_appendixcompendial33 points·2 years ago

Same view. A record you can read beats a rating you cannot inspect, every time.

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u/soren_zamoraOP14 points·2 years ago

Is that from the source page log or from memory?

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